I enjoy both at 55. I've been incredibly fortunate in my life and have had a great career. It is a travesty that pot is illegal and there is far more upside than down. All that aside, I find it offensive that a government sees it's role to regulate freedom of choice in an area where we then spend billions on enforcement and miss a huge revenue opportunity that in total could provide significant benefit to the underprivileged in this country. A real shame.

Thanks, Bill.
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Ah, fook it.....

I'm sure we can have the "gateway drug" discussion, or the "we don't need another legal intoxicant" discussions, or the "why not make it legal and get the tax revenue" discussion, but to hijack the thread a bit, I have to ask:

What kind of wine goes best with weed?

I was thinking of a Cabernet, particularly a Cabernet Sauvignon, but that's probably too dense and tanic. A Sauvignon Blanc may be better, as might be a White Zin.

I was also thinking of the inevitable desire for sweetness (a wine version of the munchies) and going straignt for a Riesling.

Thoughts?

Btw, imho, bourbon goes well with cigars, and beer with.....well, just about anything.

You gonna drink it, or perhaps put it in teh bong with some ice to bubble thru?

Sangiovese for sure. Although a good Burgundy would work in a pinch.

Ian

You couldn't shut him up if he was not stoned nor could you follow his thoughts. MG, give the man some pot and that would have been an academic monologue that might still be going.

It certainly did in my fraternity house during the 70's. It was referred to as "before dinner, and after i". (a Jay). :D

Neither are exactly health food. Despite what's been said about moderate amounts of wine being good for cholesterol or whatever, I'm sure there are healthier alternatives. At the end of the day, it's all about enjoying what works for you, and if that happens to be something that's not good for you, it needs to be done in moderation.

Not being a doctor or having any kind of knowledge of medicine, I'd say pot is likely less harmful than alcohol. But I don't like the high from weed, and I don't drink alcohol to get drunk. I enjoy wine with dinner, scotch before bed, and beer when I'm playing with the band or working on the car. I wish they were all available in non-alcoholic forms!

As said before, pot is smoked solely to get high. Alcohol is very frequently consumed without the intention of getting drunk. But the fact that pot is illegal and countless billions are spent every year losing a "war" on drugs instead of earning tax revenue from it is absolutely asinine.

A very oaky and buttery Chardonnay.

On the more general point, I think either wine or weed could be a gateway drug for someone with an addictive personality.

Equally, someone without an addictive personality can probably use either one recreationally without any detriment.

Some people are gonna become drunks and stoners. Others are not.

It's not the drugs. It's the users.

I have a number of acquaintances who are involved with the medical marijuana industry.

I for one am a believer in the benefits. Government really should be less heavy handed with those folks in need.

No, not a user here. I can't handle it. Trust me i tried in high school and college:)

I'm with Dotore thats its the user not drug/wine.

maybe a nice white, I had a very nice Peju French Colombard, they called it Carnival, light, not too sweet, good to drink when it is hot out.

Weird - I find people in altered states a pain to deal with regardless of what they're on. Alcohol makes some people aggressive, but from what I've seen pot smokers think a couple of puffs have made them The Buddha, suddenly qualified to solve all the world's ills, man, despite never leaving their parents basement. :)

Regardless, I'm for legalizing everything myself - booze, weed, heroin, whatever.

I went to a pot-luck dinner one time...had some chicken pot pie, some pot roast, and seven pieces of pie...that schit will kill ya I'm tellin' ya :)

Marijuana was the only drug medical or otherwise that provided any relief at all for me when I had a severe case of herpetic neuralgia from shingles. I wasn't thinking about getting high, just dulling the pain so I could think straight.

"It's not the drugs. It's the users."

that's it right there..

There is absorb-able tobacco patches, chewing tobacco, smokeless tobacco.
There is absorb-able alcohol(aka vodka tampons or whatever they try these days), drinking alcohol , and inhale-able alcohol puffers.

Why not both? :D Why not weed wine?
Decanter in alcohol and transfer.
(that was a joke btw)

Any substance abuse professional can tell you that alcohol ruins more lives than pot.

For all intents and purposes, ideally, one would stay away from both.

I know at least one guy who drinks and smokes daily. He's a successful professional person. He is absolutely, positively NOT lazy. He pursues projects, helps other people out, is involved in groups, etc. Reliable and effective in his work. Pleasant. Intelligent. Diligent. Has a Porsche, a motorcycle and a pickup truck. Clean driving record. Good credit rating. Plays bass. Chats with poopyheads on the Internet. I won't tell you who this is, but he's happy, content, loved, respected. Some of you have met him.

I have personally seen MJ used to very good effect for nausea and for nerve pain. There is nothing in the world like nerve pain, nothing. I have seen it literally make people crazy.

Not a lot that works for neuralgia/neuropathy, just sayin'...

We should have as many recreational drugs as possible. What could possibly go wrong? ...a few hundred thousand more "Occupiers" living in their mom's basement?

Seriously, this issue is clouded by recreational users claiming medical need. ....which then sets up any true medical need as a joke.