Wine vs. weed.
 

That parenting thread has some interesting, and different opinions in it. I can see the logic in both sides of the argument.
I'm curious to hear some of your thoughts on this subject. Seems so many times, the people who are outspoken against the use of marijuana , see no problem with throwing down a six pack after work, or a few glasses of wine with dinner, but instantly label someone who smokes pot as a lazy , video game playing , couch potato who will end up working at subway, and living in moms basement with no real drive in life.
Having known quite a few potheads, and booze hounds in my life, I honestly believe that alcohol in general causes more problems for more people than pot. There are always exceptions to this, and some people just seem to have a natural disposition to addiction, and are going to self destruct , no matter what.
Many people call pot the gateway drug, but I have always felt that liquor is the the real gateway drug. It is most often , the first drug that juveniles have any experience with. It is legal , widely accepted, usually found in the home, advertised on TV etc. I wonder how many people actually tried pot before they took their first drink.
I know successful potheads, and drinkers. I know of guys who's livers are shot at 45 years old from a hard life of drinking, guys with 4 dui's, no license , and their life is a total wreck from the bottle. Would rather spend the weekend in the bar than with their family . Hungover ,and miserable every Saturday. I have also seen the casual pot smoking teen turn to harder drugs later in life, and never look back. Did pot lead them there? or were they headed there the whole time anyhow?
I'd like to hear where you guys stand on this one.

I stand on the medical research. It shows that pot damages mental abilities in kids, and that wine and beer provide a number of benefits in terms of micronutrients, tho the amt.s you posted seem pretty high.

No, I'm not down on pot use - maybe I'm "down with it."

I much prefer the company of stoners as opposed to drunks.

In my circle of friends that I know smoke, there are 2 elementary school principals, graphic designer, electrical engineer, sales, construction business owner.

I have some friends who are drinkers only, also with diverse backgrounds.

When the drinkers drink to excess, I find a reason to leave. I haven't ever felt uncomfortable with the stoners.

Pot and booze has never done anybody any good however the exaggeration of the detriments of pot are overdone.

Pot is not legal IMO because it is almost imposable to tax. I smoked more than my fair share back in the day, loved schrooms and dropped a lot of acid. Liquor was my downfall. Neither one is good in excess and destroys different parts of the body.
Casual pot smoking. I don't see a problem. For someone like me with an addictive personality, it is all good stuff to avoid.

Re: the other thread, it's not so much the negative effects of both alcohol and MJ, but rather that at the age of 16, both are regarded as illegal. Whether you agree with the law or not (and whether you think pot should be legalized or alcohol prohibition re-instituted), I would not condone nor encourage my 16 year-old child to partake in such an illegal activity--particularly one which could have legal ramifications on future education and employment. To trust that the average 16 year-old is mature enough to make appropriate decisions on alcohol and drug use (in terms of self-regulating how much is OK) is ridiculous, as well.

I don't drink and I don't smoke. I'd much rather go to the shooting range or the track or somewhere like that.

I'm with you Fred at least for adults. And I'm with Mr. Webb for youngsters. I boycott Anheuser Bush products. They are a big contributor to Partnership for a Drug Free America. Talk about the pot, (pun intended), calling the kettle black. The biggest drug peddler in the country. Don't do those drugs do ours, responsibly of course :rolleyes:

The big difference IMHO is that pot is smoked solely to get high. Alcohol in moderate quantities can be consumed with dinner and is considered a food item. Pot is not smoked with dinner, not served at restaurants and has no nutritional value.

Pot is illegal, so it has a lot of problems it can bring to the user. (Possession, drug testing at work, combination of drugs and firearms at home etc.)

Pot being illegal also brings a lot of issues with the manufacturing and distribution. No brewer or vintner make an honest living here: Instead you are looking at drug trafficking, gang violence, illegal pot farms ruining public lands and tax dollars being wasted to try to curb these activities.

IMHO pot should be legalized. Then the situation will be significantly different. But it is like the speed limit. As long as it exists, speeding is illegal and should be avoided. And that's the guidance I'd give my kids as well as anyone looking for MHO.

G

How Marijuana Became Illegal.

I don't like either.

Edit: What I mean is I don't like either person.

"Pot is not smoked with dinner"
It can be.

When smoked before dinner it can lead to some very creative dinner choices.

I think it's pretty insane the pot is illegal, given all the drugs that are legal, alcohol, etc.

It seems like half our nation is on some kind of hard core prescription narcotic.

Which is "worse" between pot and alcohol, IMO hard to say. They both have their pluses and minuses as far as social or recreational use drugs.

IMO, alcohol is certain a very imperfect social drug. It seems highly addicting to many. It seems hard on a lot of your organs. It takes a long time for your body to get rid of (hangover). It's effects as a feel good drug are somewhat unpredictable (good buzz v. bad buzz).

With pot, I'm not 100% certain that it is good for you, mentally of physically, if used regularly over a long term.

A lot of people argue that alcohol has caused more problems than pot. Well, of course. Pot is illegal and not sold in every store, bar and restaurant in the US, and is not a widely accepted activity. If it becomes legal and widely accepted some day, we'll find out.

Overall, for adults, I'd probably call it a draw between pot and booze as recreational/social drugs.

or when baked into cookies or brownies can be dessert.

Or a butter cake.

"For all you do......this Buds for you"

Wine v. weed
 

I'll have one of each, thank you.
I've known a few that did both at the same time. IIRC, they just went to sleep. Like Joe Walsh said, "It's hard to leave when you can't find the door."

I'll bet he knows. ;)

I always liked Wm F. Buckley's story about how he tried pot.

I had something really, really great to add to this thread. But I forgot what it was . . .

Ian

Maybe it was this..... You got da DoRiToS man???



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I enjoy both at 55. I've been incredibly fortunate in my life and have had a great career. It is a travesty that pot is illegal and there is far more upside than down. All that aside, I find it offensive that a government sees it's role to regulate freedom of choice in an area where we then spend billions on enforcement and miss a huge revenue opportunity that in total could provide significant benefit to the underprivileged in this country. A real shame.

Thanks, Bill.
I love that song. :)

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Ah, fook it.....

I'm sure we can have the "gateway drug" discussion, or the "we don't need another legal intoxicant" discussions, or the "why not make it legal and get the tax revenue" discussion, but to hijack the thread a bit, I have to ask:

What kind of wine goes best with weed?

I was thinking of a Cabernet, particularly a Cabernet Sauvignon, but that's probably too dense and tanic. A Sauvignon Blanc may be better, as might be a White Zin.

I was also thinking of the inevitable desire for sweetness (a wine version of the munchies) and going straignt for a Riesling.

Thoughts?

Btw, imho, bourbon goes well with cigars, and beer with.....well, just about anything.

You gonna drink it, or perhaps put it in teh bong with some ice to bubble thru?

Sangiovese for sure. Although a good Burgundy would work in a pinch.

Ian

You couldn't shut him up if he was not stoned nor could you follow his thoughts. MG, give the man some pot and that would have been an academic monologue that might still be going.

It certainly did in my fraternity house during the 70's. It was referred to as "before dinner, and after i". (a Jay). :D

Neither are exactly health food. Despite what's been said about moderate amounts of wine being good for cholesterol or whatever, I'm sure there are healthier alternatives. At the end of the day, it's all about enjoying what works for you, and if that happens to be something that's not good for you, it needs to be done in moderation.

Not being a doctor or having any kind of knowledge of medicine, I'd say pot is likely less harmful than alcohol. But I don't like the high from weed, and I don't drink alcohol to get drunk. I enjoy wine with dinner, scotch before bed, and beer when I'm playing with the band or working on the car. I wish they were all available in non-alcoholic forms!

As said before, pot is smoked solely to get high. Alcohol is very frequently consumed without the intention of getting drunk. But the fact that pot is illegal and countless billions are spent every year losing a "war" on drugs instead of earning tax revenue from it is absolutely asinine.

A very oaky and buttery Chardonnay.

On the more general point, I think either wine or weed could be a gateway drug for someone with an addictive personality.

Equally, someone without an addictive personality can probably use either one recreationally without any detriment.

Some people are gonna become drunks and stoners. Others are not.

It's not the drugs. It's the users.

I have a number of acquaintances who are involved with the medical marijuana industry.

I for one am a believer in the benefits. Government really should be less heavy handed with those folks in need.

No, not a user here. I can't handle it. Trust me i tried in high school and college:)

I'm with Dotore thats its the user not drug/wine.

maybe a nice white, I had a very nice Peju French Colombard, they called it Carnival, light, not too sweet, good to drink when it is hot out.

Weird - I find people in altered states a pain to deal with regardless of what they're on. Alcohol makes some people aggressive, but from what I've seen pot smokers think a couple of puffs have made them The Buddha, suddenly qualified to solve all the world's ills, man, despite never leaving their parents basement. :)

Regardless, I'm for legalizing everything myself - booze, weed, heroin, whatever.

I went to a pot-luck dinner one time...had some chicken pot pie, some pot roast, and seven pieces of pie...that schit will kill ya I'm tellin' ya :)

Marijuana was the only drug medical or otherwise that provided any relief at all for me when I had a severe case of herpetic neuralgia from shingles. I wasn't thinking about getting high, just dulling the pain so I could think straight.

"It's not the drugs. It's the users."

that's it right there..

There is absorb-able tobacco patches, chewing tobacco, smokeless tobacco.
There is absorb-able alcohol(aka vodka tampons or whatever they try these days), drinking alcohol , and inhale-able alcohol puffers.

Why not both? :D Why not weed wine?
Decanter in alcohol and transfer.
(that was a joke btw)

Any substance abuse professional can tell you that alcohol ruins more lives than pot.

For all intents and purposes, ideally, one would stay away from both.

I know at least one guy who drinks and smokes daily. He's a successful professional person. He is absolutely, positively NOT lazy. He pursues projects, helps other people out, is involved in groups, etc. Reliable and effective in his work. Pleasant. Intelligent. Diligent. Has a Porsche, a motorcycle and a pickup truck. Clean driving record. Good credit rating. Plays bass. Chats with poopyheads on the Internet. I won't tell you who this is, but he's happy, content, loved, respected. Some of you have met him.

I have personally seen MJ used to very good effect for nausea and for nerve pain. There is nothing in the world like nerve pain, nothing. I have seen it literally make people crazy.

Not a lot that works for neuralgia/neuropathy, just sayin'...

We should have as many recreational drugs as possible. What could possibly go wrong? ...a few hundred thousand more "Occupiers" living in their mom's basement?

Seriously, this issue is clouded by recreational users claiming medical need. ....which then sets up any true medical need as a joke.