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jyl 11-11-2012 09:33 PM

"Skyfall"- Your Opinion?
 
As it says, what did you think.

Moses 11-11-2012 09:45 PM

Maybe the best one ever.

Evans, Marv 11-11-2012 10:02 PM

Interested also. Told the wife we should see it tomorrow.

Steve Carlton 11-11-2012 10:32 PM

Liked it a lot. Great action, creepy villain, storyline weak. I liked Casino Royale better.

Goldfinger is still the best in my book.

MFAFF 11-12-2012 02:27 AM

Great movie...perhaps not the best 'James Bond' movie...
Saw the Imax version ... makes a difference!

MotoSook 11-12-2012 03:26 AM

Wife and I: two thumbs up

Laneco 11-12-2012 04:50 AM

Steve and I - two thumbs up. This is a transitional movie - it introduces new, permanent characters. This movie also provides more history into Bond and the villian than I've seen before. Provides a little insight into their respective psyches.

Casino Royale is still my favorite.

angela

stomachmonkey 11-12-2012 04:50 AM

I liked it

Great villain

But I don't like the tortured/flawed Bond

007 does not have baggage

A930Rocket 11-12-2012 04:57 AM

Saw it last night. It seemed to be missing something compared to previous movies.

Casino Royale was better...

Edit: The skyfall song by Adelle (sp?) was nothing to write home about.

epbrown 11-12-2012 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 7086695)
I liked it

Great villain

But I don't like the tortured/flawed Bond

007 does not have baggage

007 has always had baggage, and in this film, like all the others, he wasn't tortured by it - he's always simply had another martini and got back to work.

I thought the film was entertaining, but really it covered no new ground - it was mostly an exercise meant to reboot the series for its 50th anniversary by re-introducing characters, events and places. The theme of the film was "Meet the new James Bond, same as the old James Bond."

Semi-poilers below:



















As much as I liked it, it was actually a little redundant - the villain was very similar to "Goldeneye," and even had similar dialogue, and we were just re-introduced to Bond in "Casino Royale" when Craig's Bond achieved 00 status. When you take into account that "Quantum of Solace" takes place immediately after "Casino Royale," then we've seen Bond go from rookie 00 agent to old hand in what is - for the character - a fairly brief period.

pksystems 11-12-2012 07:21 AM

It has to be better then Quantum of Solace. :)

mikesride 11-12-2012 09:05 AM

Does he drive one of these???

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biosurfer1 11-12-2012 09:51 AM

I'm glad to hear the good reviews of the villain...Javier Bardem seemed to be a perfect fit for a Bond villian! Can't wait to see it:)

Hugh R 11-12-2012 09:55 AM

I thought it was good, a few moments that didn't make sense, but I don't want to spoil it for those who haven't seen it.

McLovin 11-12-2012 10:20 AM

I saw it last night. I'm a pretty harsh movie critic.

I give 4 out of 10 movies that I see a "eh, it was ok".

5 out of them I almost feel like demanding my money back.

1 out of 10 I really enjoy.

I'd put this one in the top category. And this isn't really my kind of genre of movie.

It certainly was very well cast. That bad guy from "No Country for Old Men" is great. He's one of the great bad guy characters of our time, and his performance in that plexiglass holding cell was awesome!

It also was very well made. Really great visuals throughout. (Lighting, scenery, camera work, etc.). It's a beautifully made movie.

It had a lot more below the surface stuff than a typical bond movie. Which IMO is good or bad, depending on what you like. Bond is shown with more foibles than normal. Red eyed, tired, stubble, etc. at the beginning.

M was shown as being far less than perfect, and the bad guy was shown as having, arguably, some good reasons for what he was doing. Or, at least, he wasn't simply evil for evil's sake.

They seemed to want to modernize the movie, so that it was very focused on computers and technology. But what they gave up was a lot of cool Bond "gadgets." He really had none (the gun that only he could fire was the only one, but that's not really a gadget or that interesting). I kind of missed that.

He also wasn't as suave with the ladies as in past films. Is this the older, slower Bond? (Maybe setting up a product placement for Viagra in later films?)

It's of course difficult to compare it to the great old ones (like The Spy Who Loved Me), because they are from such different eras. But overall this is clearly one of the top of the modern era Bond movies, and I think it holds up pretty well to any of the previous Bond movies.

rwest 11-12-2012 10:35 AM

I saw the movie Saturday and really liked it, although I think buying it and watching it again on my own couch will help me with stuff I missed.

Like McLovin said, not much for gadgets this time around, and to me gadjets are what makes the Bond movies different from other spy thrillers, so for my tastes, bring on the cool watches, pens and other devices.

Rutager

MRM 11-12-2012 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 7086695)
I liked it

Great villain

But I don't like the tortured/flawed Bond

007 does not have baggage

The Bond as written by Ian Fleming was tormented by demons of the past. In the books, especially early on, he was much crueler, though equally open to great mercies and romantic flourishes. In fact, one of his lingering grievances with MI6 and M was that he was originally considered little more than an assassin, a killer, an expendable thug that the Service didn't care too much whether he lived or died, no matter the quality of the service he provided. The original Double Os were a response to Soviet spies operating in the West that couldn not be arrested and brought to justice the usual way. They were to be identified and killed - hense the need for Double Os. Bond did something in the War that got him selected to be one of the first Double Os. This was a mixed blessing and a mixed compliment to him.

He's had problems his whole life, from watching his parents die to his unexplained but traumatic war experience, to losing Tracy to his ongoing concern that he is stuck in a job he'll do until he dies, in which he is not fully appreciated, and for which his total loyalty is required to people who will not give any loyalty in return (sound familiar, anyone?).

On Her Majesty's Secret Service is probably the best example of the original Bond as written by Fleming, although George Lazenby was clearly the weakest actor ever to play Bond, even considering Timothy Dalton. Bond is dark and brooding and smart and cunning and is the match for all the nefarious enemies, foreign and domestic that he has to encounter. But he is never common or uncouth: He is Bond.

badcar 11-12-2012 03:43 PM

Great movie with good backstory and action. Tied with Casino Royale in my books.

TheMentat 11-12-2012 04:15 PM

I'd put it a notch below Casino Royale... but still a great movie!

strupgolf 11-12-2012 04:30 PM

Just got back from seeing it. Wife liked it 100%, me, not so. I've liked others more, but as a thriller in the Bond theme, it was good.

jyl 11-12-2012 05:26 PM

I liked it more than Quantum, less than Casino. Craig does a great job, as does Dench and Bardem. The locations are suitably exotic. But the story was weak, I don't want to be a spoiler so I won't say more.

gecc 11-12-2012 05:39 PM

I cried...when they shot up the DB5

Hugh R 11-12-2012 05:54 PM

I'm pretty sure they didn't shoot up the DB5, by the way, that was a real DB5, in Goldfinger they called it a DB5, but it was actually the last DB4, that was rebadged, and indistinguishable from the DB5.

I have a counterpart at Sony who is checking for me, but here is my rationale. 1) When the bullets hit the front of the "DB5, they made dents in the paint. Any bullet, even a 22 would have gone right through the aluminum body. 2)they showed bullets hitting the windshield but not going through, see comment #1 above. 3) they showed the roof being blown off, the way a DB4, 5 or 6 was made with a tubular steel frame, the roof acted as a pretty good roll cage, and would not come off, unless they cut it first. My $0.02 on the matter, and I thought the same thing as well until I thought about it. BTW, I used to own a DB4 for 35 years, and I work in motion picture production safety in Hollywood.

Again, I have a colleague at Sony who produced the film that is double checking for me. He wasn't there, but a local UK safety consultant was there.

jyl 11-12-2012 06:46 PM

I assume a non-running replica was shot up, wouldn't you say?

Hugh R 11-12-2012 06:55 PM

Yes, I think so. The driven car was real and the close ups of it parked at his childhood home looked like a real DB5 to me. I'll post specifics when I hear more. OTOH, in Casino Royale, they flipped five Aston Martin DBS for real.

MFAFF 11-12-2012 10:49 PM

H,

Agreed a 'real DB5' would not have withstood an attack by a feather duster (BTDT!).. but James Bond's DB5 is different... the windscreen was armoured...and I think the front was as well (we know about the rising rear bullet screen..).
So all in all very accurate...

You know I think I'll have to watch all those early ones again
(damn... its tough but somebody has to do it...I know htere are those who can give me chapter and verse already....however first hand research is always needed;))

They did trash a few DBSes, let alone the Alfas (including a driver I believe)...however the majority of the stunt Vanquishes in the previous iteration (on the ice) were not Astons...

All that said I felt we were treated to too much of JB's baggage....we know he's a dark soul...that much is clear from the first film...it is part of the appeal...the unknown, the mysterious. Bringing light to bear on it lifts that veil and somehow diminishes the mystique.

Mind you Sam Mendes is a very different sort of Director....so it does all fit together in its own way.

GothingNC 11-13-2012 05:22 AM

My daughter and I enjoyed the film.

I thought it was almost as good as Casino Royale.

As the Aston, a minature was used for the final scene.

James Bond Skyfall crew turned to 3D printers for Aston Martin DB5 stunt double - SlashGear

Schumi 11-13-2012 09:23 AM

Saw the movie last night. It was a great movie, lots of bond-themes and old-style music cues ala Sean Connery years, but the story line didn't feel like a bond movie.

GoldenEye is still my #1. This is up there though. Had some very intense and dramatic moments. I thought some of the 'new' character introductions could have been done a bit sneakier though.

And man I called the introduction of the 'new' female character (at the end...) way back in the beginning of the movie, and was waiting the whole film for them to mention what her name was.

Joseph Fiennes was great as he always is in everything.

gt350mike 11-13-2012 11:30 AM

My wife and I saw the movie this weekend and although they spent too much time bridging the characters for the next release, we still loved it; location shots were amazing, loved seeing the DB5 again (and its stunt double), plus Javier was a great villain. On the negative side, the theme song was forgettable and the girls were about as sexy as an old maid. Not sure how everyone else feels, but Eva Green from Casino Royale was one of the top Bond women.

Moses 11-13-2012 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gt350mike (Post 7089692)
On the negative side, the theme song was forgettable

Saw the movie in an XD theater and thought Adele's vocals were AMAZING.

epbrown 11-13-2012 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schumi (Post 7089375)
And man I called the introduction of the 'new' female character (at the end...) way back in the beginning of the movie, and was waiting the whole film for them to mention what her name was.

There was a burst of surprised laughter in the theater when that happened and I was thinking "seriously - you didn't see that coming?"

Steve Carlton 11-13-2012 05:50 PM

So, what's the back story on that? Miss Moneypenny finally find a man?

jyl 11-13-2012 06:26 PM

After seeing Skyfall, I have a strong desire to purchase a new suit.

twait01 11-13-2012 08:14 PM

Yes my suits are looking distinctly out of date after seeing that. I enjoyed it greatly, almost as entertaining as Casino Royale. This is a different movie than the usual Bond fare with the dark personal themes. Not worse, just a little different. Almost like they're trying to out Bourne the Bourne series with the tortured hero.

Evans, Marv 11-13-2012 09:57 PM

The wife & I saw it yesterday. We both liked it, not that it was a great movie, but it was a Bond movie which made it worth seeing. I liked the intermittent theme music & thought when he opened the garage door to reveal the DB5(4?) was one of the best parts. I saw the first movie in New York right after it came out. I think the new Bond is pretty good compared to some of the pansy types of the past.

fanaudical 11-13-2012 11:36 PM

Just saw it tonight. I think Bardem plays the creepiest Bond villian ever...

svandamme 11-14-2012 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MRM (Post 7087389)
The Bond as written by Ian Fleming was tormented by demons of the past. In the books, especially early on, he was much crueler, though equally open to great mercies and romantic flourishes. In fact, one of his lingering grievances with MI6 and M was that he was originally considered little more than an assassin, a killer, an expendable thug that the Service didn't care too much whether he lived or died, no matter the quality of the service he provided. The original Double Os were a response to Soviet spies operating in the West that couldn not be arrested and brought to justice the usual way. They were to be identified and killed - hense the need for Double Os. Bond did something in the War that got him selected to be one of the first Double Os. This was a mixed blessing and a mixed compliment to him.

He's had problems his whole life, from watching his parents die to his unexplained but traumatic war experience, to losing Tracy to his ongoing concern that he is stuck in a job he'll do until he dies, in which he is not fully appreciated, and for which his total loyalty is required to people who will not give any loyalty in return (sound familiar, anyone?).

On Her Majesty's Secret Service is probably the best example of the original Bond as written by Fleming, although George Lazenby was clearly the weakest actor ever to play Bond, even considering Timothy Dalton. Bond is dark and brooding and smart and cunning and is the match for all the nefarious enemies, foreign and domestic that he has to encounter. But he is never common or uncouth: He is Bond.

I very much disagree that Lazenby was the weakest Bond actor..
Fleming wrote Bond to be a dandy, like Fleming was. He even said that he wrote Bond to his liking.
Bond smoked the same packs of cigarettes, used the same toiletries etc etc.

So all in all, Lazenby was the closest thing to Fleming's Bond.
And he had the saddest script, so now he's called the weakest actor to play Bond, which is really not a fair assesment.

And i really don't get why the current one is so often called "the best Bond according to the books" when in fact he's a brute force tool..
he's not in any way the Fleming Dandy Bond from the books. He's the opposite.
He does not look like anything that came out of Eton college.. he's not refined enough..

911-32 11-14-2012 04:07 AM

I saw the actual DB5 used in the movie - as driven by the original Stig, Ben Collins who did most of the stunt driving - a couple of weeks ago. After the London premiere, it was driven straight to the RAC Club and parked in the foyer. Lovely car and no bullet holes ;)

quaz 11-14-2012 11:32 AM

I am sorry, but every time I now see Bardem on film the only thing that I hear is the Selio Kontos song from American Dad played over and over again.

motion 11-14-2012 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 911-32 (Post 7090965)
I saw the actual DB5 used in the movie - as driven by the original Stig, Ben Collins who did most of the stunt driving - a couple of weeks ago. After the London premiere, it was driven straight to the RAC Club and parked in the foyer. Lovely car and no bullet holes ;)

Very cool!

I enjoyed it... production was very good. I don't care so much for the latest Bond, though. Not enough of a gentleman. Villain was awesome. Plot had plenty of holes, and some stuff was so corny the audience was laughing. That shouldn't happen in a Bond movie. Not enough gadgets and car chase scenes. Not enough beautiful women, either.


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