Sniper Training ...

[9dreizig]

Ok, from what I have seen is once the target is marked, internally the unit uses a pattern match/blob tool to mark the target,, it then pulls the trigger for you.. eliminates elevated heart beat, breathing, etc.. because once you arm it it determines when it will fire,, My best guess is that the decision update is in the 20ms range. This is not FM I work with a variation of this technology every day.

[Rick Lee]

No matter how steady you hold a gun, your breathing and flinch reflex will affect your accuracy. I was watching a noob at the range last week. He had some S&W semi-auto pistol. When his mag was empty and the slide locked back, he didn't notice. So he aimed carefully, took his time and then squeezed the trigger. You should have seen how much he flinched when the hammer didnt' drop and there was no bang. And that's why good rifles have very crisp triggers - so the bang happens as soon as possible after you squeeze. Give you less time to move and flinch.

[vash]

what if the shooter was so sucky that cant get the "blob" onto the target?

[lane912]

why take all the fun out of the sport??

[9dreizig]

Originally Posted by vash

what if the shooter was so sucky that cant get the "blob" onto the target?

I believe you get a few chances,, just keep hitting the "set" button until the red dot is following the target you want..

[9dreizig]

Originally Posted by lane912

why take all the fun out of the sport??

Angela,, when the Zombies come ,, it won't be a sport!!!!!
But I agree,, same techno geeks that put ABS and auto transmissions in sports cars

[vash]

my buddy was a sniper. he will be much more fun to hang with once he passes that duration and the cone of silence is lifted. 10 years?

he did tell me a sniper's riflescope is crazy technology. i think 90% of what he did was not shooting. he was just laying there watching..and pissing on himself..not moving.

[M.D. Holloway]

I could be a sniper...I lay well, don't mind pissing myself and get wood from cool tech!

[red-beard]

Now Everyone Can be a Sniper

If that is true, where are the ghetto girls?



















Someone had to say it

[Jeff Higgins]

I just re-watched the video (with fewer distractions) and picked up on a key element that I had missed - it does have a "smart" trigger, much like the pitch and roll trigger in a battleship. My apologies for that earlier oversight; that does change things, at least on that front.

It does, however, still leave many issues unaddressed. All of the exterior ballistics concerns I ran through (albeit very briefly) still apply. I used a steady 10 mph, "full component" (90 degree to line of fire) crosswind in my example. I don't think I have ever shot under those conditions, and I've let fly litterally thousands of rounds in long range matches. We never get that lucky.

Another component I have not mentioed yet is mirage. We have all seen it with the naked eye, shimmering away on a hot day. That, however, is only when it is at its most obvious. It's never really absent. We are, essentially, always looking through a murky, fluid, moving body. The further away we see something, the less likely we are actually looking at it along the true line of sight between us.

Us long range competitors discuss mirage every bit as much as we discuss wind. Mirage has a far, far worse affect on bullet impact, because it makes us aim where we see the target, not where it really is. Mirage has a left and right component, and an up and down component. As shooters, our spotters absolutely must relay this information to us along with wind conditions. It is a constant flow of information until the trigger is pulled. We may change sight settings (or just hold-off) several times between the last shot and the trigger pull on this shot. The corrections for this shot are based upon where the last one hit, assuming we had a good hold on the rifle, and the spotter had a good read on the conditions.

So, in other words, between tagging the target with the laser on the rig in the video (which is affected by mirage, but not wind or altitude density) and sending the bullet off, it is very likely that one or more conditions will change as the shooter tries to wobble randomly back onto target. If the mirage has changed, the sight now thinks it's looking where it tagged previously, but it really is not (this is still assuming the first tag was truely on target). Into those changing conditions, we now send a bullet that is not affected by mirage, but rather by the other factors of wind and altitude density - conditions that the optic did not read in the first place.

And, finally (for now), any experienced long range shooter will tell you that one's first shot tomorrow morning will require markedly different sight settings than one's last shot last night. Even on the same range, from the same firing point, at the same target. It is for this reason that it is absolutely essential that sighting shots be fired prior to any string for record. We will commonly see ten MOA variation in both windage and elevation over the course of one day's shooting, much less a weekend match. There is no such thing as having a rifle "sighted in" for long range, quite unlike the 200 yard zero many use for their deer rifles. The only way to get on target is to shoot, and to have a spotter help with corrections. One can't just pick up a rifle, no matter how good it is or how good you are, and hit at long range. Not due to mechanical limitations on the rifle and optic combination, but due to the very air we breath, and everything that is supended in it, and how it warms, cools, rises, falls, blows, and swirls. Not unless we can guide the projectile, and this thing does not do that.

[BlueSkyJaunte]

To be fair, the average police sniper engagement distance is under 60 yards. This gizmo would be just fine for that.

Then again, so would iron sights.

[Taz's Master]

I'm assuming that the sight mechanism will allow you to tag where a prior shot hit compared to where you placed the optic, and adjust to make future shots impact where you place the dot. 2 things: #1 This is for stationary targets I'm assuming? It looks to me like the dot marks the specific point where you want the bullet to go, and the gun fires when you are aligned to make the bullet hit that spot. To hit your target, the target has to be at that spot. If your target moves, the bullet is going to the spot, not the target. #2 Triggering the mechanism to put the spot on target doesn't seem to be easier than pulling the trigger when your sights are on target. I bet it could shrink offhand groups at 200 yards though, mark your target from a rest, stand up and impress your friends.

To me this is a gimmick. If its only useful arena is on a target range, (I can't see how this would be a real advantage hunting or in combat), it allows you to have accurate hits without having to work to acquire skills, but those skills are necessary for marksmanship in those other more purposeful arenas. Who knows this may just be a first step product though.

[willtel]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

Higgins has said this before, and its worth repeating (Something to this effect anyway). Send some gungho moron into a section of woods with that contraption. At the other end, we'll put in a good old boy with the lever action .30-30 he's been shooting his entire life. Good old boy will be home in time for lunch. Gungho moron will be pushing up daisies.

Didn't you just state that "War isn't a f*ching game"?

[LakeCleElum]

Sniper training is not a "Sport".......Ive been thru the FBI and Army Green Beret Sniper training.......both are grueling......The Army course much harder.........Goal on the 1st day: 600 meters, cold rifle, head shot on first shot to a moving target at 600 meters......I did it......

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

Higgins has said this before, and its worth repeating (Something to this effect anyway). Send some gungho moron into a section of woods with that contraption. At the other end, we'll put in a good old boy with the lever action .30-30 he's been shooting his entire life. Good old boy will be home in time for lunch. Gungho moron will be pushing up daisies.

Originally Posted by willtel

Didn't you just state that "War isn't a f*ching game"?

I think all he is saying is that skill will trump technology in this sort of an encounter. "It's not the arrow, it's the Indian..."

Originally Posted by LakeCleElum

Sniper training is not a "Sport".......Ive been thru the FBI and Army Green Beret Sniper training.......both are grueling......The Army course much harder.........Goal on the 1st day: 600 meters, cold rifle, head shot on first shot to a moving target at 600 meters......I did it......

I see the kind of nonsense in this video as more of the same old crap we see in so many other ventures these days - some putz trying to make money by convincing folks that they can make up for the skills you worked very hard to learn by simply buying some whiz-bang piece of equipment. He may very well make his money (many snake oil salesmen do), but his customers will never close the gap.

A 600 yard head shot, just picking up a your rifle cold and doing it, is outstanding shooting in anyone's book. I don't think folks who have never tried this have any clue what it is all about. Just how well you have to know your rifle and load, how well you have to be able to read the conditions, and all of that.

So, I wonder how many "heads" that red dot subtends at 600 meters? I bet it's several. I wonder how close to being dead center in the red dot this system is before it fires; how many more minutes of error are induced at that point.

How many MOA does a human head subtend at 600 meters? I would guess about a minute and a half. The red dot looks several times that, at least.

[Aurel]

Perfect timing with the zombie apocalypse and the end of the Mayan calendar!

[Dantilla]

Originally Posted by LakeCleElum

600 meters, cold rifle, head shot on first shot to a moving target at 600 meters......I did it......

Wow!

I once shot a Moose from 600 yards. Tasted good. No way was the first round a kill shot to the head.

Congrats!

[stomachmonkey]

Why I hate this board.

I read "Sniper" training and I think of this.

[BlueSkyJaunte]

I've seen worse.

[9dreizig]

Ok, everyone admit it ,, we kind of miss Sniper