It's started - Exodus from CA

[techweenie]

Alright, this is clearly getting PARF-y and before I'm out, I have to add that California has sent approximately $2.6 billion in tax revenue to the Federal government each year that has not come back, but has gotten doled out to other (mostly red) states. I find it ironic that residents of those states in particular are so eager to point mockingly at the folks who help feed and protect them. That is all.

[Rick Lee]

I get up the Bay Area once or twice a year and homeless folk are ubiquitous there. I can't think of any place where I've seen more homeless than there. Well, maybe Santa Barbara. But then if I were homeless, CA would be at the top of my places to live. The Bay Area is too cold for outdoor living, but points south would be fine.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by techweenie

Alright, this is clearly getting PARF-y and before I'm out, I have to add that California has sent approximately $2.6 billion in tax revenue to the Federal government each year that has not come back, but has gotten doled out to other (mostly red) states. I find it ironic that residents of those states in particular are so eager to point mockingly at the folks who help feed and protect them. That is all...

There is good reason tax dollars are spent elsewhere. Retirees and military retirees cannot afford to live in CA. It is also difficult and expensive to do government business in CA.

[motion]

One cool thing about living in Orange County for 25 years: Rent in Manhattan seems pretty cheap

[vash]

Bottom line. If there is an exodus, I don't see it. A family from Georgia just moved in across the street.

CA isn't perfect but I love it here. I wish it was more hunter friendly. Whatever. I make a good living and I can afford the shack of a house that I bought. I traded lunches with a Pakistan coworker this week. His mom made some meat braise. He ate my green chili chicken soup. It was cool. My last supervisor invited me to his nieces wedding. In India! I wanted to go. But couldn't. This is a neat place. Much different from the Texas I grew up in.

I'm waiting for a plane to Texas right now. I am eating a tamale the second I step off the plane.

[Jim Richards]

I would've traded my hot pastrami on rye for your green chili chicken soup.

[Rot 911]

Originally Posted by speeder

Kurt, you're an idiot.

Denis you love to go to the name calling, until now I've refrained. You are a sanctimonious dick. And I suspect always will be.

Hmmmm, have I ever been to a big city? Born and raised in Chicago. Lived 4 years in Heidelberg, Germany. Lived in Phoenix. Travelled and worked in Californa. So yes I have been out of small town Missouri and you are still a sanctimonious dick.

The point being, azzhole, California is only a paradise for those that can afford it. And the rest of the U.S. ain't so bad.

[speeder]

CA. rocks because there are millions of people like Vash and Motion here. Not to mention tech weenie. And Moses. And Hugh. Oh yeah, Jack Olsen and Tyson. Need I go on? It's the people, stupid. (Paraphrasing Bill Clinton). That's what makes a place, and an economy.

[look 171]

Originally Posted by Jim Richards

I would've traded my hot pastrami on rye for your green chili chicken soup.

I think Vash got a good deal on this "Trade". Not only does he hunt and kills the poor animals with his arrows, but the damn guy is picking on the poor immigrant's taking the lunch his mother made him.

[look 171]

On a lighter note, why do others like to dump on CA (many that have not been here in / live here) while many of us CA residents say anything about other places? Is it because we just simple do not need to? This is not the perfect place, but it is home and its warm with almost no rain. For the millions who live here (me included) feel this is a fantastic place if not, they be living right next to you.

[Rodsrsr]

Back in 2002 I inherited a 3500 sq ft home in the Midwest (completely paid off) and decided to leave Ca and give it a shot. I made it close to 3 years before throwing in the towel and heading back home. My reasons; weather sucked, (I'll gladly pay extra for CA weather.) Noticeably less salary, very hard to find a job in my area of sales, bland food and less culturally diverse, so being bi-racial this was a big deal and I have to agree that I experienced subtle forms of racism. To the Mid-West's credit, some of the nicest people I have ever met were also during those 3 years, but overall CA fits me better.

[BE911SC]

Originally Posted by techweenie

Alright, this is clearly getting PARF-y and before I'm out, I have to add that California has sent approximately $2.6 billion in tax revenue to the Federal government each year that has not come back, but has gotten doled out to other (mostly red) states. I find it ironic that residents of those states in particular are so eager to point mockingly at the folks who help feed and protect them. That is all.

This bears repeating.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by look 171

On a lighter note, why do others like to dump on CA (many that have not been here in / live here) while many of us CA residents say anything about other places? Is it because we just simple do not need to? This is not the perfect place, but it is home and its warm with almost no rain. For the millions who live here (me included) feel this is a fantastic place if not, they be living right next to you.

Because of crap like this below. Care to highlight the condescending parts? Hint - it's all of it. The assertion that those who dare criticize CA are a bunch of ignorant hicks that have never seen the world. With some there is a arrogance about their residence in CA that gets very old. BTW, even this ignorant unlearned Midwesterner has been to CA multiple times.

Originally Posted by speeder

Yes, that would be idiotic. And it's not what I said. Of course there is a "homeless problem", although it's not a problem for 99%+ of the people who live there.

I have a news flash for you guys: When you go to a big city, (or a big state), there is more of everything. Where would you want to live if you were homeless or a drifter in the first place...Cownutz Missouri or California? Where do you think would be warmer and have better panhandling? There are more people in L.A. county alone than in your state and the 5 states around it, most likely. So yeah, more food lines...

The difference between myself and some of you is that I am from the midwest and I've been just about everywhere in this country plus many more. I do not think that everyone in Kansas is a farmer, though that would not be a bad assumption to make about someone from a rural part of the state. Not bad either as a guess or in terms of being demeaning. Farmers are very rich these days if they grow corn. Certain members of my extended family farm, we are not the least bit embarrassed about it.

The only time I see a food line in CA. is when I drive downtown to skid row or to the church in Hollywood where I sometimes volunteer. My good friend runs the charity and it feeds about 100-150 people a day, 5 days a week. Not all of them are homeless, though. Some are just flat broke for whatever reason.

Some of you need to turn off the Fox News and actually get out in the world. It's large and interesting and it beats googling stupid images of people down on their luck in CA., (supposedly). The larger cities in your part of the world have major underclasses and look like one continuous loop of COPS, if you only watch schitty television.

The reality is that the wealth in the San Francisco area these days is staggering. And I'm not talking about the Larry Ellisons or Gordon Gettys, I'm talking about the sheer number of affluent and highly educated people. It would be very foreign to you.

Originally Posted by speeder

Whatever...I just returned from an expensive mini-ski vacation and I was thinking that I would not care if it cost double to live in CA. for everything, it would be worth it. Let me know when they put something like this in Kansas:

WOW, YOU WENT SKIING?! WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN KS! Of course I can just drive to CO (and have), but whatever. Let me know when they put something like this in CA.





That would be 4 br, 3 ba, 3613 sq ft, full unfinished basement, on a golf course in a nice neighborhood, for $250k.

[speeder]

I'm from the midwest, Matt. You can get a McMansion in North Dakota for $100k, probably. But as a friend of mine once said, (another Minnesotan living in L.A.), "What good is a cheap house in a place you don't want to live?"

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by speeder

I'm from the midwest, Matt. You can get a McMansion in North Dakota for $100k, probably. But as a friend of mine once said, (another Minnesotan living in L.A.), "What good is a cheap house in a place you don't want to live?"

I know that you are from MN Denis. But being 20 minutes to the beach and 2 hours to the slopes has a pretty damn big cost. I don't want to raise my family in an apartment.

[Rot 911]

Originally Posted by look 171

On a lighter note, why do others like to dump on CA (many that have not been here in / live here) while many of us CA residents say anything about other places? Is it because we just simple do not need to? This is not the perfect place, but it is home and its warm with almost no rain. For the millions who live here (me included) feel this is a fantastic place if not, they be living right next to you.

You might want to see who started this thread and where they live.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

I know that you are from MN Denis. But being 20 minutes to the beach and 2 hours to the slopes has a pretty damn big cost. I don't want to raise my family in an apartment.

You have that right, Matt. London and New York City are even more expensive places to raise a family in the style we are accustomed to. But there is a big difference between saying that a place is expensive and saying that it sucks and where you live is better. That's the problem I have with these tired-ass threads from flat-staters bashing CA.

[Rot 911]

Originally Posted by speeder

That's the problem I have with these tired-ass threads from flat-staters bashing CA.

Again, it was one of your own that started this thread. Then a long line of posters from CA jumped in to bash the midwest.

[speeder]

Had to look back, you're right. We have em here too, I guess.

[Jim Richards]

Originally Posted by Rot 911

Again, it was one of your own that started this thread. Then a long line of posters from CA jumped in to bash the midwest.

I think you've been out of line on this thread, Kurt. No long of posters bashed the midwest. Some of us commented on the southeast. The OP even referred to an exodus of his friend to the southeast (TN, specifically).