It's started - Exodus from CA

[daepp]

And prop 13 does allow for increases every year - just never more than 2% per year increase.

Mine certainly go up every year!

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by Rtrorkt

In most states, as I understand it, 1/3 of revenue comes from income tax, 1/3 from sales tax and 1/3 from property tax. In CA with prop 13, the property tax is less than 20% of the budget due to the rules.

But California has extremely state income tax, sales tax, vehicle registration taxes, etc.

So it's not surprising it doesn't follow the 1/3 1/3 1/3 proportion that you describe most states as having.

States pick and choose how they raise revenue. Some have high property taxes, but low or no income tax. Some have high income tax, but no sales tax. Etc.

California has high taxes in pretty much every category, with the exception of property tax, it must be at the high range compared to every other state for every other category.

I don't think California's financial issues are on the revenue side.

[Rtrorkt]

McLovin, I am in agreement that the problem is not necessarily on the revenue side in CA. What I really don't get is the property taxes I pay here in VA and there in CA essentially go for the same stuff; roads, schools, fire, police, etc. On a per capita basis, CA is 3 to 4 times higher than VA, but I am not getting services that are 3 to 4 times better. And all the taxes are higher. Sales tax at nearly 10% in CA, just under 6% here. There is something scewed and I am not sure what.

I did vote with my feet and I have a renter who is helping me cover most of the tax nut. I am perplexed with as many residents as there are, why the per capita cost is not lower, spreadin the burden over more folks should lighten the burden. I see there may be a surplus this year in the state coffers. I doubt that translates to lower local taxes.

[RWebb]

bump for Calif. fire season

[Jim Bremner]

Originally Posted by RWebb

bump for Calif. fire season

North Orange County got rain tonigh.

Fire Season is LATE summer Mud slide Season is late Fall, Riot Season is ....

[porwolf]

Originally Posted by techweenie

Yeah, no companies in California have a prayer of succeeding.

Yeah, what about Silicon Valley then? No prayer of succedding there?

[70SATMan]

The little eye rolling thingy denotes sarcasm in his post....

[nostatic]

Don't let the door hit you on the way out of town. I'll stick it out for another 2 years then see where things stand. The upsides still outweigh the downsides for me.

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by nostatic

Don't let the door hit you on the way out of town. I'll stick it out for another 2 years then see where things stand. The upsides still outweigh the downsides for me.

What???

Don't you want to join the non-diverse mouth breathing ignorant racist rednecks in Podunk?

You could become a stupid old farmer and sit around the cracker barrel in front of the pot-bellied stove with your fellow ignorant hicks that have never seen the world.

Add some tattoos and lesbians with chainsaws if you're in Orygun...

[daepp]

From KWQC.com
Affluent Californians Still Contemplating Relocating to Avoid Tax Increase:

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SOURCE National University System

One quarter of those surveyed considering moving out of state

SAN DIEGO, May 14, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- A quarter of the residents in California's most affluent communities are considering relocating out of state in response to the increase in state income taxes, according to a report released today by the National University System Institute for Policy Research (NUSIPR). A scientific poll (n=401) conducted by Competitive Edge Research for the National University System Institute for Policy Research from March 4-6, 2013 shows that 13% of the state's residents are somewhat considering a move, 12% are very seriously considering vacating the state, and 1% are already moving out to minimize their personal income tax burden.

The survey finds that these sentiments, while more often held by Republicans, conservatives and higher income residents, are not limited to them. In fact, the biggest factor in explaining whether or not someone is contemplating leaving the Golden State is whether they said they knew a family member or friend who had made a similar move. This social exposure factor is a stronger predictor of move consideration than any other factor, including income, support for conservative candidates, or the level of familiarity with the tax increase. This suggests the potential for a "snowball" effect: the few residents who initially leave create exponentially more who contemplate moving until a sizeable exodus occurs. The finding that social influence plays a big role in tax avoidance behavior is also exciting and dovetails with recent research on social networks.

The survey also found that residents are contemplating other strategies, such as increasing their charitable contributions and investing in more tax-free bonds, to reduce the impact of the increase in state income taxes.

In November of 2012 California voters passed Proposition 30 which temporarily increased the state's sales tax rate and raised income taxes on individual Californians with incomes greater than $250,000 and families earning more than $500,000 in taxable income. Anecdotes throughout the state indicated a level of dissatisfaction, most notably comments from California resident and pro golfer Phil Mickelson's comments prior to the Farmers Insurance Open golf tournament in January. NUSIPR undertook the research to find out just how prevalent such views were.

To focus the survey, NUSIPR used IRS records to target specific zip-codes in the state known to contain a high percentage of affluent taxpayers. More than 400 Californians were surveyed and the survey has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4.9%. NUSIPR's full report and the survey results can be found at National University System Institute for Policy Research • NUSIPR Analyzes Reaction of Californians in Affluent Communities to Proposition 30 Tax Increases

CONTACT: ERIK BRUVOLD
858-642-8498
858-361-1540
ebruvold@nu.edu

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by RWebb

What???

Don't you want to join the non-diverse mouth breathing ignorant racist rednecks in Podunk?

You could become a stupid old farmer and sit around the cracker barrel in front of the pot-bellied stove with your fellow ignorant hicks that have never seen the world.

Add some tattoos and lesbians with chainsaws if you're in Orygun...

Shiiiiiiit, I can go to Felton or Ben Lomond and do that. Then head back to downtown Santa Cruz for the tattoos, lesbians, firespinners..could probably grab a chainsaw in Felton on the way down, heh heh.

[RWebb]

there is a nice chain saw at the Ronald Reagan Ranch - only used 3 times...

[Tobra]

California is last again as it is ranked 50th by CEO Magazine in list of best states for business. Texas is first, again
Chief Executive Magazine Announces Results of Annual CEO Poll, Ranking the Best and Worst States for Business: PR Newswire Business News - MSN Money

[techweenie]

I'm sure if you were building a fertilizer plant, you'd rather locate it in Texas. Building a tech company, not so much...

Worth spending a few minutes on this.

State Revenue Ranking Percent GDP 1992-2018 - Charts

[speeder]

CA. has its issues, but its positives still greatly outshine the negatives for a lot of businesses. I had dinner the other night at the "soft opening" of a new restaurant, (not open to general public yet). The owner and his partners already have 5 or 6 absolutely hopping places running, they are talented and hire the best people to cook the food but the point is that you could not do what these guys are doing in fly-over America. THere just are not enough people who go out to eat and are willing to pay for great, interesting food outside of NY and LA to support this many businesses.

Before someone jumps down my throat over that statement, my home town of Minneapolis could support maybe one or two of their places but not 6 of them. There are creative people, (I count restaurant entrepreneurs as creative), with brains and guts making $$ hand over fist in CA.

[70SATMan]

I chuckle at all of the haters that just don't have the gumption to leave.....

[Jim Richards]

My wife & I are injecting $ into the SoCal economy.

[70SATMan]

Good! SoCal needs all the help they can get.

[techweenie]

Just quit stealing movies and it'll all be just fine.

[varmint]

Originally Posted by techweenie

Just quit stealing movies and it'll all be just fine.

make an original movie and we'll pay for it.