Flexfuel E85

[Hawkeye's-911T]

I am posting this FYI only. I am haven't done enough research on the subject to form an opinion, pro or con on the information contained in the following piece. The link (re: Warnings Not to Use) is from the Fox network, so read into that what you will.


National Association of Automobile of Automobile Clubs of Canada

NAACC takes a strong stand on the use of E15 Ethanol fuel Report #85 January 2013

The NAACC does not support the use of Ethanol blended fuels. All blends of Ethanol are reported to cause serious damage to a variety of components in collector vehicles. The use of E10 causes deterioration in fuel lines, carburetors and fuel tanks.
· Vehicles that are stored with Ethanol blended fuel often sustain serious damage. The NAACC recommends that vehicles stored for any period of time be fueled with Shell 91 or Chevron 94 non alcohol blended fuel.

E 15 Ethanol fuel is a new product that is now being introduced to the public in the USA.
This fuel has NO redeeming features. It has been reported that if this fuel is used in vehicles older than 2012 that the vehicle will sustain serious damage to its fuel system. It is very corrosive and may also cause damage to engine pistons and valves because of detonation. This damage is caused by “Phase Separation” in the fuel itself.

The NAACC strongly recommends that you call up the following video. This report will leave no doubt as to the harmful effects of E15. Triple A (AAA) in the USA has also stated that this product is very harmful to your vehicle.
This video is from Fox...if your CAR IS OLDER THAN 2012 you need to AVOID THE NEW E15 GASOLINE .
Most car companies including Ford, BMW, VW, Toyota, Honda, Kia, Mercedes, and Chrysler will not honor the warranty on your car if you use this new gasoline!!!


Warnings Not to Use


· Another side effect of the production of E15 is the rising cost of food.
The summer of 2012 saw a serious drought in the mid west where crop yields were 15% less than normal. In the USA food costs will surely rise because there is a government mandate to provide 15% of the crop to corn squeezers for fuel. Canadian food prices will follow.

In our opinion the production of this product is not about the green movement and providing a cleaner planet. It is all about money and subsidies!

As I have noted in my caveat, the above does not reflect any opinions or any other thoughts I may have on the subject.

Cheers
JB

[onewhippedpuppy]

Unless you have an E85 vehicle, most manuals will explicitly state that the use of greater than 10% ethanol fuel is not recommended. Avoiding E10 for collector cars is also pretty well known, the fuel systems simply are not designed for that fuel. Same thing goes for not using it in most small engines, my weed-eater runs like hell on E10. I fill up my S8, 911, and all of my gas cans from the non-ethanol gas station. My wife's truck gets filled up anywhere, it's E85 and doesn't seem to care what we feed it. My S8 gets an extra 3-4 MPG on the highway running on non-ethanol gas.

[MotoSook]

We have been running E10 for at least a decade in Illinois...so long as you don't let the gas sit too long without treatment, it isn't a problem.

[72doug2,2S]

I have to go to the farm COOP to buy real gas. That's the only thing I run in my German cars '72, '76.

I also use pure gas for all garden equipment. I got tired of paying $50 to clean and replace carburetor parts.

[Hawkeye's-911T]

Could some of you Chemical Engineers weigh in on this topic of phase separation. From the info I've been able to cull (so far) from various websites, the verdict on blended gas ain't all that great. In fact it's downright worrisome.

Cheers
JB

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye's-911T

Could some of you Chemical Engineers weigh in on this topic of phase separation. From the info I've been able to cull (so far) from various websites, the verdict on blended gas ain't all that great. In fact it's downright worrisome.

Cheers
JB

You need quite a bit of water to get separation. But it is the easiest way to remove ethanol from gasoline.

You can easily get a mixture of G80, E10, W10