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S'okay, Randy...more than likely I'm done with this thread. Dis away dtw..
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A while ago I bought a "20 years in a Texas Field" Targa from this very site. The one illustrated is waaaay too nice or has been cleaned up ..a lot. I have "preserved" mine. It will be worth a mint one of these days.
I must add.. that when I came back from Vietnam I bought a newish solid lifter Corvette.... from a Marine who was buying his first 911 before he started his tour in VN [how is that for backwards?]. I ran the pee out of that 'Vette and it is a wonder I survived it and Hi 1 through Big Sur. I sold it after I got my senses back and decided to finish my education [that, and a judge advising me to sell my red Corvette before the state took my license away]. What has this all got to do with this?? Well, I didn't know anyone that came back that wasn't a holy terror on the road and didn't thoroughly USE whatever it was they were driving. Not one vet. None. Nada. Whatever the story with this 911 may be I cannnot believe this was cared for, pampered.. etc. Ain't no way! Still. I like this car, and think it should turn out nice [unlike my Texas field Targa]. JR |
That's your definition of animosity? Your skin is really thin Paul. But yes, by all means take your ball and go home as per usual.
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He's taken his ball and gone home several times. But he always comes back. This has earned him the title of "PPOT Hemorroid." |
Paul *is* giving out good info.
He is just taking the evolution of the early cars' owners less well than others. Insults only reveal the integrity of those who profer them. I would not ostracize him for that. As for this S, it is a great find, but the history needs tightening up to be accurate. So far it seems it was not parked in '75, as it seems to have had work as late as '84, and is not all original paint. I would like to know the date code of the tires, and their condition, along with the date code on the rims. |
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If it was my car, I'd take it completely apart and do the body and paint right away. Looking at the perfect Ossi Blue targa roller would make it easier psychologically to spend the briefcase full of money that it's going to take for the rest of it. But that's just me.
Sort of like a kit, some assembly required. :) |
If it was my car, I'd take it completely apart and do the body rust and just rough paint it right away. It will look like a rat rod, but will be protected unlike a primer coat.
Then make it a driver. Hot rod if wanted. Then do the interior. Last, do or have the finish painting to make it look purty. |
Just to be accurate, "flat" Fuchs were introduced on mid-year 1971 models.
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But its a targa. There I said it. Just kidding, personally I like targas better. Love the color too. If she were an e she would be perfect. :d. Looking forward to the updates. Thanks for posting.
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We have a rotisserie and this will be taken down to bare chassis, doors, fenders, ect are coming off tomorrow, I removed all the guts in the doors today no body work from the past and all the proper fasteners, glass is unmolested |
Is it true that deep sixes are unsafe? I've always dreamed of making the switch.
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I'm just feeling the love, Shaun.
BTW, are you getting around okay? |
Thanks for asking, yes, I'm 99%, which is 2% better than I was before the accident. :) I'll just always know when bad weather is coming and a few other peculiarities.
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So they are safe? Do you use a tube?
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Everyone I know including myself changes the valves to the one that fits (discount tire has them) and runs tubeless tires. Never had an issue with them. But if your worried I'll take yours for a couple of hundred. :D
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of course, safety is relative there is no bead for a tubeless tire - if you find a tube tire then you are using an inferior performance product (like most concoursey products) if you run a tubeless tire then you are taking a risk then, any old car is a risk, right? |
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I went to see the car today. Mark didn't make it, but his shop guy let me look around. I spent about an hour on the car. It really is a solid car. I'll list what I found and you guys can make the determination of whether I eat engine padding or not.
Complete glass out respray. Different color under primer on front bumper. Looks to me as if the front latch panel has been replaced or worked on. Mismatched and missing bolts and screws in the area including the front valance. Body tag on front panel installed reading upside down. Lots of oil and crud on the oil tank (but the perforated guard is in place). Surface rust everywhere, especially under the sound deadening coat on the top of the floor pans. Engine is an oily mess on bottom. Heat exchangers are rusted and the exposed part of the head pipes are deeply cratered and rusted completely through in several places at the 3 into 1 merge. Front brake discs seem to out of spec as they are machined thin on the outside, RS is worse, but all 4 look weird to me. Brake pedal rubber worn through to metal. Door switches, hinges and data plates are pristine. Slight bushing wear to driver's door. Nice gaps although the car is starting to show "jack stand droop" at the rear top of doors. Lock panels look great. Front suspension pan lower piece is toast, I mean gaping holes. It might be possible to install the lower bridge only to restore this area. Rear deck not aluminum or original, but that was known (he has an AL deck already to fit to the car. Rear license plate panel appears to be AL (stock for S models of some years), but I forgot my magnet. There is the visible damage to the RR bumperette, but it got into the body every so slightly (I would guess the car rolled into something, not hit in an accident). There doesn't seem to be any cancer on the rockers, door jambs, lower front fenders at the door, doors (they are gutted and are rusty inside, but feel solid). No door guards in doors suggesting original. The car has been very wet or damp for a long time. Rotors are bubbling in rust suggesting it has not been driven in many years. A lot of the exterior bright work has been painted over in black, probably when the car was resprayed. It all shows age, so the car was repaired/repainted long ago. Good glass although I forgot to closely examine the windshield for pits. Overall, I'd say the car is an excellent car showing fair to middling care in it's driven life. Appears to have been driven in dirty conditions more than once. I can't quite wrap my head around the car having 42,xxx miles total. Yet, it doesn't seem like it has almost 3.5x that, e.g., turning over once. It's a hard call and one that only Mark makes because I doubt very many people know this car. It's pretty much unmolested save for some minor repairs. It was definitely "found" not running and not cared for in the least. If I had to guess, I'd say it came from near the coast. That's the best I can do and I'm sure there's a lot I missed. I'm far from an expert. It is baffling since the headlight buckets and door areas look pretty good while the a-arms and the like are really rusty. Perhaps the floor of the "barn" was bare, moist dirt. Having seen the rest of Mark's stable, I will predict that when this car is done, it will be awesome. Very awesome. |
Milt,
I'm so sorry i missed, things unraveled a bit this morning when My trip to Italy is one day earlier than I thought. Thanks for your input and spending time with my wrench Tim. How about 88 year old Walter? he knows his **** about the old Mercedes, come and works with Tim, Walters knowledge cant be found in any book. I wished had all the cars uncovered for you to see, next time? Would love to have more of your input on the 911S:) |
you should get paid for that PPI
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Where in Italy? I'm in Pescara today. Heading to bologna later this week. Out of Milan on Saturday. Small world fer a couple pelicans.... |
Mosummano, Siena, Sorrento, Capri, Abruzzo
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I believe that you owe Milt a beer for that PPI. :D
While you are in Sorrento, make sure that you go to the south side of the Amalfi coast & visit Ravello & walk out to the terrazza of the Villa Cimbrone. Ian |
No, no, I owed Mark a lunch. With a little bag of swag I left at the shop and the look over, maybe I'm off the hook. ;):D
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Badge Find
Been on the internet, ebay, almost had a great badge, then low and behold I was wandering around the cave and right on my golf cart is a perfect badge. I dont even remember purchasing it, but it was in 1998-99, the question is, is it the real deal or a knock off?http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1363049775.jpg
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That appears to be a red bar reproduction. It could very well be NOS, but it's not for your '69. If you score a badge in poor shape, there are a couple of places that restore them. I almost put one in poor shape in your swag bag, but it turns out I'm not that nice of a guy. ;)
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What's the difference?
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The bars on the early badges are orange, not red.
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Here's a proper badge for the car. This one is about $450, not for sale. I expect you'll pay $1500 for something more NOS.
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Allan Heywood in New Zealand was the only guy in the world I could find that did a perfect concourse restoration of an orange badge. His work ran around $300/badge which was a deal compared to an NOS badge's cost.
Unfortunately, Mr. Heywood passed away in 2010. I do not know if anyone has filled the void since his passing - you may be stuck hunting down a NOS badge. |
Boy, what a great find!
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