not PARFy at all, it's a perfect example of taking out a dangerous person before they inflict damage, the Bush Doctrine, one aspect of it anyway. Sorry about those panties.

Pretty shocking that so many can justify such behavior. Clearly the situation could have been diffused without such a dangerous blow from behind.

One would never live down making such a cowardly attack where/when I grew up. From my experience, those who live by the cheap shot, die by the cheap shot.

Totally agree, pretty cowardly thing to do.

There is even a campaign in the UK called one punch can kill. Its amazing the number of people killed with one punch when they weren't ready for it.

What was the venue, some spring break location with lots of booze and drugs involved.

I would agree with Fint. I didnt see the bully actually touch anybody, he was just acting like an a$$. Not sure a sucker punch was deserved. Only a ******* sucker punches somebody.

I guess there are two sides to the question of responsibility.

1. Personal responsibly. if you start "tough guy air boxing" and actually hit 2 people in the face, there is a reasonable likelihood something bad will happen to you.

2. Responsibility for your fellow man: why wait for the belligerent ruffian to actually do damage to someone, guys and girls alike? If you have a chance that could prevent someone innocent from getting hurt, you may want to take it.


or maybe the crowd should have reasoned with the poor little lad, it's not his fault. Just a few minutes of calmly talking the situation over and everyone would have left the scene as friends. Probably gone out for milkshakes.

Actually, the adults in the crowd just walked away.

You must have been watching a different video than me, the guy got sucker punched right after he hit a guy in the face who clearly did not want to fight and had his hands up and did not retaliate.

Not sure why people are defending this guy saying he needed to hurt someone before he got put down himself. And those people that say "the puncher should have stepped in and calmed the guy down" have clearly never dealt with a drunk guy looking for a fight.

Looks like 6th street. A notorious place to get your azz whipped. My brother had a friend a decathlete on the UT track knifed in his car in a backed up traffic 35years ago when you could still drive down the street at night.

My son has had two friends beat and robbed on 6th street in the last 6 years. Both tough guys but alone and jumped by alleged gangs. One of those guys was 6'2" and a former ranger. Fought back and ended up in intensive care the next morning. The other guy managed to run before the beat down.

Oh please - the Marques of Queensberry Rules do not apply to a drunken beligerant looking to hurt someone, anyone. The thing to do here is to stop him as quickly and expeditiously as possible, with as little risk as possible to anyone else. The guy who decked him did the right thing.

I suppose you think any unprovoked attack should turn into some sort of a sporting event, where the attacker is given a fair chance. Nonsense. The proper response is to stop him, as "unfairly" as possible, with as little risk as possible. If the sumbeach winds up dead for his troubles, well, so be it. His well being is absolutely not a factor.

A fair fight, involving two willing participants, is an entirely different affair. Now we have rules.

I agree in principle, but I think the law would think differently. Not worth going to jail for many years to put a bully in his place.

Here's a different way to think about it:

What if he was walking around the crowd hitting WOMEN who didn't want to engage with him?

Then you would likely call the sucker-puncher a HERO!

Why is this different? Because they were MEN who didn't want to engage?

What a way weird situation. How dangerous did the crowd really see this guy when red shirt walks right through at the beginning. What was the beef with the guy that got hit? With his head up against a tree, he took it a lot better. Just stood there stunned until his.opportunity opened up for a nut kick. All the cameras around? Everyone's looking for some action and they got it. Glad I'm not that age any longer.

The only panty problem I have is Democrats like Kennedy or Clinton getting into someone elses other than his wife and everyone thinks he's such a great humanitarian. You want to talk about political doctrine? Take it to PARF (or are you claiming that Bush's political doctrine is not the P in PARF?)

Ok, I watched the video again, this time full screen. The bully did throw some slaps towards the victims. But I still dont think he deserved to be sucker punched. If a true man wanted to do something about the bullying, he would have stepped up and been a man, not throw a sucker punch. And yes I have been around (and in) TOO MANY drunken bar fights. Usually a bully will step down if somebody stands up to him. They prey on the perceived weaker.

Hence the term "bully" since his actions would force peaceful people to have to leave where they are due to his rude and violent behavoir.
Agreed up to the point where the defender becomes a bully. Our carnal nature states that the jerk got what he deserves. Our civilized nature states that two wrongs don't make a right. The bully may have threatened his attacker before the camera came on and he got clocked. Yes, he could have been hurt but he brought it on himself. No one fights to tie. You fight to win. Who is the coward? The guy going around threatening and hitting peaceful people. Could there have been less dangerous way for the guy to subdue the bully. Perhaps. Should we feel bad for the bully? No. He brought it upon himself. He was itching for a fight with people that wanted nothing to do with him. Looks like he reaped what he sowed.

That rationale only works if you call that a fight. It was no better than if the other fellow had used a baseball bat and hit him from behind.

I don't understand why you want to keep bringing politics into this.

I would not have called that a "fight". Not even close. There was no need for a "fight", but there was a need to stop the guy from attacking random people.

Again, if someone if behaving like this, no one has any obligation to engage him in a fair fight.

That would have been just fine, too, in light of the situation.

This guy wanted a fight. No one else did, and no one else had any obligation to oblige him. Further, no one had any sort of obligation whatsoever to put themselves at risk to stop this guy. So yes, in light of that, a baseball bat to the back of the head would have been entirely appropriate.

Who the hell wants to fight fair? I don't get that. I wouldn't get involved with an assailant hoping to give him a fair shot. A bat to the back of the head by a total stranger would have been just fine. How far should the bully have gotten before that would have been justified? Would he need to drop someone and still be hitting him before it was ok to stop him from behind? Why in the world would someone give him a chance to hit back?

yes.

Fair fight is an oxymoron unless it is in the ring. On the street there isn't any reason to fight unless you're in danger. If my family is in danger, then there isn't anything "fair" about it. We're either out of there or you take care of the situation quick and appropriately.

Yes it was a sucker punch but pretty much justified. Acting like a drunk big man and throwing punches (that land - at 0:26) you kind of get what you deserve.

Yep, only in the ring is there supposed to be a fair fight.

I just watched it again and there were no "slaps" thrown by the drunk guy. He closed fist punched the guy up against the tree directly in his face, a guy who was trying to stop him from pursuing his (I'm guessing) friend. He got sucker punched for doing that and the drunk got dropped, as he should have.

I will point out that guy who dropped the drunk was in the video the whole time and did not act until the drunk punched the other guy first. Now he could have just been buying his time but from my perspective, he could have thrown that punch many times before that moment but chose to wait until the drunk acted first.

The guy in the grey shirt was jonesing to punch the bully from the get go. He was waiting for the right moment.
The bully is a grade A douche nozzle who got what he deserved.
In fact, he deserves to have every tooth sucker punched out of his mouth

Street justice, served when you're not looking, ain't that a beech...

Warms my heart to see this prick go down.

Street Justice.

I like it.

:)

Yes, those harping about a fair fight...I'd have to say have never been in a "true" fight. In a dangerous situation where you are forced to defend yourself, there's no such thing as "clean" fighting or fighting "fair"--you fight to win. Incapacitate your adversary by any means possible. If that means taking out their knee caps or even kicking them in the balls, followed by a knee to the nose while they're bending over, so be it. Your sole objective should be to walk away from the situation with as little personal injury as possible. I specifically teach my daughters to fight "dirty." In general, men are stronger than women and can overpower them in most situations. A clean kick to the groin is a great equalizer.

Thirty five years ago my brother was a student at UT. A friend of his on the track team who was a decathlete was driving down 6th street on a Friday night alone in his car when you could still do that. Some guys slapped his car when they thought he was cutting them off and he threatened to kick their asses. So one of the bad guys pulls a knife and slices his face 3 times before he could even get out of the car. Didn't end well for him.

Fast forward about five years ago, one of my sons buddies made the mistake of getting separated from his friends who were looking for him after a night of bar hopping. A pretty rowdy tough guy himself came up against some other tough guys who beat his ass and robbed him before he knew what was happening. He ran when he realized he was outmanned, black eye, split lip, and pride hurt. Not a happy camper.

Several years later another of my sons college roommates a 6'2" 200lb ex army ranger separated from his friends and admittedly drunk as hell gets jumped and ends up in a coma in intensive care the next day not recalling how he even got there. He was robbed too and came out out of the situation with a new perspective about 6th street.

Several months later my son and his friends decide to start looking for what they thought were organized gangs that preyed on guys that were obviously drunk and separated from their buds. They went down three or 4 months in a row in the spring and summer that year on Friday and Saturday nights but never saw anything sketchy.

I think the bearded dumb ass deserved what he got. It looked like a pretty lucky shot to me and maybe he won't try to act like some bad boy on 6th again. The only guys that haven't had their ass handed to them that think they are superman just haven't come up against Mr Kryptonite yet.

If those 2 were really threatened they could have just walked away, which they didnt.
The puncher was not even involved except as a spectator, he was not in danger.

Sorry, just calling a pu55y a pu55y.

I am actually surprised at most of you condoning severe violence which may cause permanent damage, just because somebody was acting like an a55. Guess I have higher morals and a larger man card. :D

I think somebody MAY cause somebody harm, so I will hit him with a bat and knock him out? Seriously? Some of you are pretty fcked in the head.

But there was no fight and the guy that attacked the other was not defending himself from anyone...surely you can't justify incapacitating someone or kicking them in the groin for being drunk and an asshat.

In other words, in your world, it's all about you. If you are in a position to stop others from being hurt, so what - they are all on their own. Yup, you're a "real man".

He took decisive action to stop a man who was wildly swinging away at anyone in front of him. He was smart enough to wait until his actions would likely be the most effective at stopping the attacks. Far from being a "pussy". A "pussy" takes no action unless it involves him, then he hopes a guy like this steps in before he has to do anything.

Unfortunately, your attitude does seem to pass for "manliness" in some circles these days. For shame.

Acting like an ass and punching people are two different things, worlds apart in how they should be dealt with. Real men have no trouble discerning between the two and acting appropriately.

No, more like "I see someone actively trying to do harm to others". He was swinging at people, and had already connected on a couple. Huge difference between that and your watered down "may".

Probably one of the best ways to lead others to believe that you might hurt someone is to started swinging on them randomly, as this man did. Conversely, one of the best ways to avoid making this impression is to not start swinging on people. Notice no one else in the video got clocked like that. As such, I would say the young man demonstrated very good judgement and situational awareness, choosing just the right guy to punch.

The fact that we are burdened with indecisive, hand-wringing ninnies like you has long been one of the symptoms of the decay of our society.

[hand wringing whining] He may have wound up hurting someone, but how will we ever know? Oh my, there was no reason to hit him, he could have been hurt... oh my...[/hand wringing whining].

:rolleyes:

nailed it.

the only real man on scene took care of the situation. the debate over his method can go on, but the results speak for themselves. he prolly didn't even spill his drink.

The guy was always going to get what he had coming to him eventually. It's a minor detail as to who delivers it. The important thing, is that the news was delivered.

Honey you were so brave hitting that guy when he wasnt looking. I am so proud of you.

Pathetic.

This weird situation would be totally different if it was like one of the scenes Les Paul describes. With hundreds of.people around with cell.phones out its not exactly a "dangerous" situation.

The puncher changed the dynamic by punching that guy by the tree. Sadly, I dont see this going well for either of these guys. Even the guy that got punched, tried for a kick in the nuts. Guy was down. Hmm. Remember that shop keeper that emptied his magazine (i did type clip and fixed it) at the c-store? Didnt he get charged? Adreniline and alcohal dont mix well.

"Fair fight"? What a joke. :rolleyes:

Mob mentality rules and there are no rules.

I think the a$$ hat should have learned a valuable lesson, you go looking for trouble sooner or later you going to find it.

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I'd be curious if anyone in the Austin area sees some media coverage of this and if the "sucker puncher" got into any kind of legal trouble and what they charged the bully with.

It's not about appearing to be brave. It's about taking care of a problem with as little fuss as possible. Mission accomplished I'd say.

The guy got what he deserved. No need to tap him on the shoulder first and announce that its about to happen.