I'd like to sympathize MiltZeke, but I lost interest in NASCAR when I couldn't tell one make of car from another. Part of the reason is I don't give a crap about new cars anymore, so YMMV.
My favorite TV racing is on youtube. Run it through the Apple TV and I've got 52" of excitement. This one from Keith Peare just about brings tears to my eyes, since it's at Mid-Ohio where I've raced. I can feel every bump in the track and every “whoops!” moment. Skip ahead to about the 2 minute mark if you want to see the 914 in traffic.
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Go watch the last 25 laps.of the race yesterday with the sound off and tell me that was all about personalities. That was some.of the most exciting racing I have ever seen on that track...and at a lot of other nascar races. Guys shooting out from nowhere. The leader about to blow an engine. Very exciting.

Dad brought me to my first Nascar event at Riverside in 1963, been a fan ever since. Funny how you Nascar haters comment on how much you hate it, yet how can you comment on it, unless you are watching? If y'all hate it so much turn off the ****ing TV.

Better yet, have any of you nay sayers drivin a 3500 pound car w 750-800Hp? I think not.

A big improvement would be to cut the fuel capacity in half. Cut the length of the race in half, unrestrict them...etc. etc.
I rarely watch any more. When I do, it's been dvr'd so I can blow through the commercials or when Darrel Waltrip starts spouting off with his annoying boogity, boogity, boogity. :mad:

NASCAR: like racing, but with a two drink minimum

I don't really see any change from 20 years ago. Earnhardt bumping Labonte out of the way and into the wall to win at either Bristol or Martinsville. Or how about Jeff Gordon putting (insert favorite driver here) in the wall. Go back to 1979 and you got to see one of the greatest moments in Nascar history when Donnie Allison and Cale Yarborough banged door to door for the win at Daytona and ended up throwing haymakers in the infield. The names change but the antics seem to stay the same. Racin is racin.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/suppo...leys/boxen.gif

it's like watching two people in sumo wrestler fat suits "fighting". The way they instigate slow motion crashes and then afterwards everyone goes "they-et rah-sin". It's comical.

If anyone thinks Danika Patrick really got the pole for Daytona has to be foolish. It was all staged like many things about Nascar. She no more drove faster than all of those other guys then I did. It's all fake, like Tony going after Logano, come on, they were racing like all the rest; Tony just had a slower car. If Danika even finishes in the top 25 at ANY RACE this year, I'll eat her out.

I agree with Dan and 126 Coo-Pay........

I just DVR it and watch the good stuff.....I rarely watch F1 anymore...It's usually just a parade with little passing or action.....

The most fake things about NASCAR are those "Competition Cautions" and "Debris Cautions"......i know it's all an act, but sure beats 90% of what is on TV these day.......I guess I could go watch idiots making Duck Calls in a Swamp -Or maybe some immature punk with a big hammer building a hot-rod/chopper??? My wife watches Fat Getto Betches fight about getting fit for a wedding dress........No thanks....

Hey now, that Duck call show is the funniest thing on TV.

So this is what I don't like about NASCAR.

Mandatory full course yellow with three lap cautions throne sometimes without consistancy. Junior, Larson or Princess Sparkle Pony spins and drives off needing a new set of tires - caution, no name spins, no caution.

The three lap yellows really stink when you aren't on an oval, especially the NW races at Road America, and the no longer on the calender kick tale race of Montreal. Those could have two lappers, or, two paces cars for lapped down/lead lap, and one lap.

The other annoying thing when watching on TV spefically, is the sheer amount of title sponsors. "the Government Motors SS of (Fill in driver) won the Get Drunk Beer to Get Elected Pole award and leads the field to The US Treasury Prints Green Backs Green Flag that will start the Unaffordible Care Act 500 at the narrow banking of the Washington We Can't Pass a Budget Speedway. Oops, by the time we said all that we have a Mellow Yellow Yellow that brings out a IRS Did you File Your Taxes Caution. :rolleyes:

Is also why I have a hard time watching the NFL. Just too many darn title sponsors for the most inane things. NASCAR is trying to imitate the NFL in their TV coverage.

In the chase last year, you could stream the in car cams of eight cars, and I watched 7 of those chase races from Brad K's car from start to finish, good way to watch if you're a fan of the racing. Phoenix was better watched on TV, so I watched that at a friends.

I think all NASCAR fans should be required to attend just ONE NHRA Top Fuel Event prior to watching any race. See how many 'fans' will be instantly converted.......

Methinks you wouldn't have to be talked into that. The only real physical attraction I have to her is that she is probably pound for pound as strong as anyone her size could be. I'd bet she can throw a good one.

you wish :)

How many here have actually BEEN to a race in person? TV does a disservice. MRN or in person is the way to go.

LOL, I saw a couple at California Speedway. I had been to a CART race recently, and it was my first NASCAR race. At the drop of the green flag, I thought something was wrong and it was a false start. The cars were barely moving, they seemed so slow.

We camped in the infield in an RV for the weekend. Bunch of drunken fat slobs fighting over booze and generator noise the whole weekend. Knives, threats, cops. Really interesting. I prefer F1 :)

When I wrenched at the Pontiac dealer a few hundred years ago we would get the hospitality tickets, meet the drivers eat free food. good seats and yes it was different but not better. Martinsville race in the spring was a great party since there was no Busch race the day before.

VaSteve, I have been. I worked on a safety crew on the wrecker in the early 90's. I was at Ontario in the 80's. Unfortunately I have only seen 2 mile and 2.5 mile races (other than way back at Riverside). With restrictor plates and w/o. I don't get what motion is saying. I have stood at the fence at Fontucky and the cars were at 200 getting up to 206 before shutting it off for T1. The wind they create will just about move you back.

The noise of the pack at Talladega as they approach the dog leg out of T4 is a sound like no other. There are so many aspects to stock car racing that I have to agree, TV is the worst way to see it. And again, I blame the organizers and the TV folks for making it into a spectacle that doesn't need to be if the races could support themselves with the paid gate as they did until TV got in the picture.

I've said it before and I'll say it now, if I had foolish money, I'd buy one of those 800+ HP engines and put it in any old truck or car just to fire it up and listen and feel the thing shake the ground. I'm impressed with a Ferrari engine idling at 3K and the headers glowing red, but I'm equally impressed with a push rod engine that is producing 2 1/4+ HP per Cu In on the fuel they use.

You can't be a red blooded American and not like that stuff.