Originally Posted by Racerbvd (Post 7427918)

I understand marketing, you don't understand good parenting, and there lies the problem.. Just because you and other liberals can't say no to your kids, doesn't mean everyone is a bad parent.

Originally Posted by winders (Post 7427936)

Rifles are not cigarettes and comparing rifles to cigarettes is duplicitous and something only an unreasonable person would do. You are making the leap that rifles are bad just like cigarettes. That is not the case.

There is a difference between marketing a rifle designed for children to adults and children and marketing cigarettes to adults and children.

Rifles should used by children only under adult supervision. Children should never smoke cigarettes, adult supervision or not.

The bottom line here is that you think guns are evil.......so you viewpoint is tainted.

Scott

Originally Posted by foxpaws (Post 7427965)

I am not comparing the actual item - I am comparing the marketing of the item. We do not market cigarettes to children (via legislation) because children are not able to make informed, rational decisions regarding cigarettes. We should not market guns to children because children are not able to make informed rational decisions regarding firearms.

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 7427811)

You keep mentioning the "as a toy" angle. I can assure you, in a lifetime of immersion in the firearms world, I have never seen anyone present a firearm to a kid "as a toy". You are, again, speaking from a position of ignorance. I've asked you repeatedly for your personal experiences in this realm, and you have steadfastly avoided answering those inquiries. That, coupled with the rhetoric you have spewed on this thread, states very clearly that you have no experience in this regard. Your "as a toy" position is a fantasy of your own making. You have nothing to support that position. It is simply your opinion, arrived at to further demonize gun owners, and clearly has no basis in fact or actual experience. You are attempting to dramatize this.



Let's deconstruct this for a moment. How many parents, casually looking for your "toy" for their child, are going to go to a gun show to look for it? How many non-shooting, "toy" shopping parents, will even think of that, and then go to the trouble to track down a gun show and do that? Why on earth would they bother, when the WalMart on the corner stocks them? You are grasping at straws.

Your argument becomes extremely incongruous on this point. Nobody goes to a gun show to get in some "toy" shopping for their kids. The folks attending gun shows tend to be at least somewhat into, well, - guns. They are enthusiasts, with a bit more interest and knowledge than the John Q. Public that would be likely to view these rifles as your "toys". In other words, it is extremely unlikely that your ignorant, ill-informed public that may actually see these rifles as "toys" would ever stumble across a gun show, or think of searching out a gun show, at which to purchase them - that's way too much trouble when they are readily available at the local sporting goods store. Conversely, it is equally likely that anyone purchasing one at a gun show will know full well that it is no "toy".

As a related asside, any licensed dealer selling at any gun show in the land still sells under the same rules they do when in their shop. Same forms, same background checks. Now while I cannot vouch for all gun clubs, mine - the Washington Arms Collectors - conducts, as a requirement for membership, the very same background check required to purchase a fiream at a dealer. At our shows, we can only sell to or buy from other currently active members. We actually have people arrested that are caught violating this rule.

It is my understanding that many other clubs accross the nation follow these same rules. I have been to gun shows in virtually every western state, and many in the mid west. At each and every show I have ever attended, the hosting club has had the same "members only" rule on firearms sales and purchases. Those are my first hand experiences with this supposed "gun show loophole" - it is really no more than a media/political talking point, aimed at the ignorant and ill-informed. Like you. So, I'll ask you the same sort of question that has so far gone unanswered - what are your experiences with this? I think I already know the answer...

Tech, face it - you are arguing from a position of emotion and ignorance. I don't expect you will ever change that position, and you are certainly free to cling to it. The difference between you and I on this point, however, is that I have lived a lifetime immersed in the world of firearms. My opinions are based not only upon my own experiences, but also upon the collective experiences of a wonderful community - one quite unlike any other in this country, or anywhere else on earth. You can continue to chip at us from the outside looking in - everyone is entitled to their voice, their opinion. You need to understand, however, just how foolish you look, so stubbornly clinging to you emotionally based, ignorant opinions. That (and again, I understand you say it is not your intention), and do not try to change us. You don't have to understand us, you don't have to like us - but you have no right to try, in your emotional ignorance, to change us.

Originally Posted by foxpaws (Post 7427582)

How would your cell phone know if you were driving or were a passenger on a bus or train?

It isn't as simple as you might think seahawk.

Originally Posted by winders (Post 7428004)

Children cannot buy guns. Only adults can. I see no problem with a child going up to dad or mom and saying that they want a rifle. The parent gets to make the call on if and when a rifle is purchased and, if purchased, how that rifle is used.

These rifle ads you despise so much are not on TV, the radio, local billboards, the local playground, etc.

There is no proper way to use cigarettes. They are always bad for you. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a properly used rifle.

Toys kill significantly more children than rifles do. Based on your logic, we should not market toys to children because children are not able to make informed rational decisions regarding toys.

Scott

Originally Posted by Seahawk (Post 7428029)

The first person to design an app that figures out how to allow parents to block their kids texting while in a car (it is simple, btw, the tech exists) wins.

Originally Posted by EMJ (Post 7428040)

Sprint is offering this feature (Dale, Jr. ad).

Originally Posted by techweenie (Post 7427557)

As for the process to purchase a gun for a child, the majority of states waive any paperwork for gun show purchases. So it's really no different from buying an action figure.

Originally Posted by Seahawk (Post 7428029)

So, your need to text on a train is more valuable than the lives of teenagers (I'm arguing like a Progressive)? How dare you be so unthinking, so uncaring.

We must do something. Texting kills. The first person to design an app that figures out how to allow parents to block their kids texting while in a car (it is simple, btw, the tech exists) wins.

The train or bus can have a ten dollars sensor that allows all functionality.

This is not going to the moon, folks...think of the Newtown Massacre that happens every day because Progressives won't propose legislation because they need to text on a train! On a serious note, I followed a Ford Focus driving on rural roads today that was all over the white lines, back and forth, punctures the middle yellow lines as well. Ten miles of this. I finally caught up to her at a stop light. She had her phone in front of her grill, busily texting. This is serious stuff and absolutely needs to be addressed.

Originally Posted by BlueSkyJaunte (Post 7428052)

And this is why attempting a conversation with you is pointless. You use outright lies as your talking points.

If you're willing to go that far, why should we believe what you say about your "background"?

Originally Posted by Racerbvd (Post 7428037)

Scott,

She just doesn't seen to understand that kids can't buy guns. Aids kills a lot of gays, yet, people like her are pushing for homosexuality to be taught as normal in schools.
The fact that more children die from choking on things, like the Beenie Baby that she critizised the manufactor for having a "not for children under 3" than pink guns every year. Course, since she doesn't think people are smart enough to have common sense enough be responsible for their own actions and it is always someone else's fault. :mad:

Originally Posted by foxpaws (Post 7428061)

AT&T or Samsung does not have marketing items such as videos and promo items that encourage children to text and drive - Keystone has marketing items such as videos and promo items that encourage 5-year-olds to shoot rifles.

Yes, texting and driving does need to be addressed - just like drinking and driving was addressed, just like marketing guns to 5-year-olds needs to be addressed.

Originally Posted by matt711 (Post 7428114)

In much the same way that there is an epidemic of 4-10 year olds beating down the doors at Wal-Mart to purchase pink .22 rifles...