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techweenie 05-02-2013 08:20 AM

Please explain to me "My first gun."
 
So this company called Crickett makes guns specifically for small children 4-10.

That seems like a perfectly valid thing: a well regulated militia would certainly have toddlers...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1367511546.jpg

So when the inevitable happens, no one should be shocked.

On Tuesday, inside a rural Kentucky home, a five-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed his two-year-old sister. The boy had been playing with a .22 caliber single-shot Crickett rifle made and marketed for kids. The children's mother was reportedly outside the house when the shooting took place, and apparently didn't know that the gun contained a shell.

"Just one of those crazy accidents," said the Cumberland County coroner, according to the Lexington Herald-Leader.


Some people...

Moses 05-02-2013 08:34 AM

Relax...

About 10 kids a year are killed by lightning strikes every year. More than 100 are killed by parents backing up their cars in driveways.

Accidents happen. It's the price of freedom.

I got my first shotgun at 5. Started hunting alone by age 12. Guns are a part of American culture that you don't understand. Designing firearms for kids? Probably safer than the adult sized .410 I was lugging around at 5.

Jferr006 05-02-2013 08:36 AM

Whether it s a gun marketed for 5 y/o's or adults it the parents' resonsibility to make sure guns are secured!

aigel 05-02-2013 08:39 AM

Of course you can teach your kid how to shoot at a young age, and of course you'd do that on a rifle that's designed for it. Is that a toy that should be left laying around loaded? No! It is just negligence by the parent(s). There are a lot of other things in our lives that are deadly if not controlled properly. You are from L.A. - how many kids drown in the backyard swimming pool every year? Same root cause: Negligence.

G

flipper35 05-02-2013 08:40 AM

Yup, parenting issue here. Could have been a piece of cutlery, plastice bag, or looped cord in the corner and the 5 year old may not have understood the ramifications of using any of them on his sister.

Porchdog 05-02-2013 08:40 AM

I started shooting a .22 at 6-7. I was a couple years older until I could pull the cocking knob by myself, but I carried it all over for years.

I got my boys a youth-sized .22 when the older boy was 7. Sold it to a friend after they outgrew it.

I don't know anyone who has been injured by an accidental gunshot and I know lots of shooters.

I know plenty of people who have been injured by cars. Those stories don't even make the paper in most cases.

Selective reporting.

Moses 05-02-2013 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jferr006 (Post 7419028)
Whether it s a gun marketed for 5 y/o's or adults it the parents' resonsibility to make sure guns are secured!

Quote:

Originally Posted by aigel (Post 7419033)
Of course you can teach your kid how to shoot at a young age, and of course you'd do that on a rifle that's designed for it. Is that a toy that should be left laying around loaded? No! It is just negligence by the parent(s). There are a lot of other things in our lives that are deadly if not controlled properly. You are from L.A. - how many kids drown in the backyard swimming pool every year? Same root cause: Negligence.

G

Exactly.

techweenie 05-02-2013 08:48 AM

Moses: You haven't a clue about me, so don't be an a-hole and assume. I fired expert with every weapon I handled when I was in the Army and had a single shot .22 when I was 10. I sold my assault rifle a couple months ago after having it for 25+ years.

You can 'invent' a profile for people who don't like random innocents getting killed by guns, but I don't fit it, and most others don't. Might be better to talk with people than AT them.

The issue is bigger than you want to admit. Know the number of people in the US killed by guns vs. lightning strikes and pool drownings? Or knives? Or...?

techweenie 05-02-2013 08:51 AM

In case anyone is interested, Slate has been keeping a tally since Sandy Hook...

Gun-death tally: Every American gun death since Newtown Sandy Hook shooting (INTERACTIVE). - Slate Magazine

Jferr006 05-02-2013 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by techweenie (Post 7419055)

The issue is bigger than you want to admit. Know the number of people in the US killed by guns vs. lightning strikes and pool drownings? Or knives? Or...?

..amoungst children?.... That's what this thread was about right?

BlueSkyJaunte 05-02-2013 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jferr006 (Post 7419064)
..amoungst children?.... That's what this thread was about right?

Yeah, but that's a tough one. "Children" seems to include gang-bangers 21 and under.

Tim Hancock 05-02-2013 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by techweenie (Post 7419055)
Moses: You haven't a clue about me, so don't be an a-hole and assume. I fired expert with every weapon I handled when I was in the Army and had a single shot .22 when I was 10. I sold my assault rifle a couple months ago after having it for 25+ years.

Oh... you were 10 and had a single shot .22. That makes all the difference in the world because everyone knows that 10 years old is OK, but teaching them at 9 years or younger is just crazy. :rolleyes: Your first post regarding "toddlers" in a militia sounded like "a-hole" venting to me.

varmint 05-02-2013 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by techweenie (Post 7419062)
In case anyone is interested, Slate has been keeping a tally since Sandy Hook...

Gun-death tally: Every American gun death since Newtown Sandy Hook shooting (INTERACTIVE). - Slate Magazine





neat. about the same time i began collecting stories of lives saved by the defensive use of firearms. 19 pages so far.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-politics-religion/728290-self-defense.html




see you all when this gets to parf.

Moses 05-02-2013 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by techweenie (Post 7419055)
Moses: You haven't a clue about me, so don't be an a-hole and assume. I fired expert with every weapon I handled when I was in the Army and had a single shot .22 when I was 10.

So you were shooting at 10 but are somehow offended that a company markets firearms for 10 year olds? OK....

id10t 05-02-2013 09:05 AM

Lets not forget teh "my first toolbox" stuff from Lowes, Home Depot, etc. How many injuries occur every year with basic hand tools? How many people are killed with hammers?

What a "child appropriate" firearm is is something that is small enough for short people to handle well and safely. Low recoil (22lr), often single shot, often manually cocked.

Jferr006 05-02-2013 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueSkyJaunte (Post 7419078)
Yeah, but that's a tough one. "Children" seems to include gang-bangers 21 and under.

The article is about a 5 y/o that shot his sister, not 21 y/o gangbangers or overall gun control. If it's about overall gun control than just say so....

pwd72s 05-02-2013 09:07 AM

It's about gun control. It's also about what the mainstream media chooses to cover and what they don't. This should be in PARF....

winders 05-02-2013 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by techweenie (Post 7419055)
Moses: You haven't a clue about me, so don't be an a-hole and assume.

Who's being the a-hole here? It's not Moses......

Scott

Jferr006 05-02-2013 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pwd72s (Post 7419094)
It's about gun control. It's also about what the mainstream media chooses to cover and what they don't. This should be in PARF....

MMMk...
Perhaps when it makes it over there it will contain an article of relevance.

BlueSkyJaunte 05-02-2013 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jferr006 (Post 7419089)
The article is about a 5 y/o that shot his sister, not 21 y/o gangbangers or overall gun control. If it's about overall gun control than just say so....

Nope. Just that the stats that get paraded around are always "massaged" to make the numbers fit the message. I suspect you won't find reliable statistics on 2-year-old shooting victims, because those with an agenda are happy to lump them in with 21-year-old gang bangers to make their point.


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