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KNS 07-29-2013 12:12 PM

The Skybolt has got to be one of the best looking biplanes around. I remember seeing one with a dark blue fuselage and silver wings, I fell in love right there.

Flieger 07-29-2013 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by flatbutt (Post 7575035)
what kind of bracing would that top wing require? IOW how is it secured to the frame?

Looks like it is just a cantilever wing like the lower one. There are probably some substantial structural members inside the cabin area, though.

BlueSkyJaunte 07-29-2013 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Flieger (Post 7575055)
Looks like it is just a cantilever wing like the lower one. There are probably some substantial structural members inside the cabin area, though.

Yep--cantilever wings. They were all composite construction. I'd imagine they had no more internal bracing than any other composite aircraft.

Seats 6 and the standard plant was a 450hp P&W.

Guess I will have to keep dreamin'...

RWebb 07-29-2013 01:49 PM

when does a canard qualify as a bi-plane?

tcar 07-29-2013 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueSkyJaunte (Post 7574835)
I love bipes. The first time I saw the Lionheart homebuilt my heart skipped a few beats. Sadly they're out of production so I will probably never have the opportunity to build one.

http://www.youngeagles.org/photos/ga...ionHeart_1.jpg

Think Beechcraft Staggerwing from the 30's...

Unabashed semi-copy.

http://staggerwingrestoration.blogspot.com/


And the Skybolt is just a Pitts Special copy IMO.

stealthn 07-29-2013 03:18 PM

I would take a pitts special in a heart beat, amazing what a skilled pilot can do with them

cashflyer 07-29-2013 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 7575240)
when does a canard qualify as a bi-plane?

When it's a canard biplane with a bi-winged canard structure??
http://www.pbs.org/kcet/chasingthesu...ight_65_lg.jpg

When is a biplane not a biplane?
When it is a sesquiplane, such as the Nieuport 10.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ort_10_C.1.jpg

cockerpunk 07-29-2013 05:02 PM

at low speeds and low power to weight ratios more wing gives you more lift

fred cook 07-29-2013 05:23 PM

Bi Planes are cool........
 
I have always liked the bi planes. One of my favorites is the Stagger Wing Beechcraft. I saw one at an airshow some years ago and immediately fell in love with it. An older gentleman in the town where I live used to have a restored military Stearman trainer done up in the WWII blue and yellow colors. Very nice.

BlueSkyJaunte 07-29-2013 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 7575240)
when does a canard qualify as a bi-plane?

When it's a Quickie? (So, so fugly....)

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviatio.../4/0837455.jpg

carambola 07-29-2013 05:48 PM

is more or less thrust required to keep a bi-plane aloft?

cashflyer 07-29-2013 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueSkyJaunte (Post 7575650)
When it's a Quickie?

Neither a Quickie, nor a Dragonfly, are canard planes or biplanes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by carambola (Post 7575694)
is more or less thrust required to keep a bi-plane aloft?

More or less compared to what?
Less thrust is required to keep a Pitts S1 (a biplane) aloft than a DC-3 (a monoplane).
Less thrust is requires to keep a Piper Cub (a monoplane) aloft than a AN-2 (a biplane).

It just depends on what you are comparing.

widebody911 07-29-2013 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cockerpunk (Post 7574903)
hey man, a wing is a wing

Doesn't matter got lift

bmcuscgr94 07-29-2013 06:30 PM

There used to be a lot of them around where I grew up.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1375151292.jpg

My uncle used to fly them to dust crops, he's the one on the left:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1375151329.jpg

BlueSkyJaunte 07-29-2013 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cashflyer (Post 7575703)
Neither a Quickie, nor a Dragonfly, are canard planes or biplanes.

Yeah, yeah, I know. It's a tandem.

It's also fugly.

Flieger 07-29-2013 07:47 PM

I kinda like the quickie actually.

BlueSkyJaunte 07-29-2013 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flieger (Post 7575915)
I kinda like the quickie actually.

Hey, there's a butt for every seat, as they say.

Sign me up for a Lionheart...or a SPAD S.XIII.

MT930 07-29-2013 08:29 PM

Nothing Beats an open cockpit Biplane.

Except a Canopy Biplane.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1375158552.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1375158568.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1375158582.jpg

tcar 07-30-2013 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cashflyer (Post 7575605)
When it is a sesquiplane, such as the Nieuport 10.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ort_10_C.1.jpg

All 'Sesquiplane' means is that one wing (usually the lower) is a lot smaller than the other wing.

Tobra 07-30-2013 06:45 PM

If you were clever, you could find a way to do the wing and struts out of carbon fiber, maybe the whole thing. I bet a little biplane with plenty of motor would be a hoot.


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