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Flieger 07-30-2013 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 7577586)
If you were clever, you could find a way to do the wing and struts out of carbon fiber, maybe the whole thing. I bet a little biplane with plenty of motor would be a hoot.

That would be Sean D Tucker's ride.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/max_911_fahrer/8713164104/" title="ChinoAirshow2013_ 203 by Max_911S_fahrer, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8412/8713164104_20be95e127.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="ChinoAirshow2013_ 203"></a>
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cashflyer 07-30-2013 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tcar (Post 7577148)
All 'Sesquiplane' means is that one wing (usually the lower) is a lot smaller than the other wing.

Yes, but that also takes it out of being a "true" biplane.

wdfifteen 07-30-2013 08:02 PM

Why do they call them bi-planes? Most of the pictures posted here have two lower wings and one upper one. Wouldn't that be a tri-plane?

tcar 07-30-2013 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 7577709)
Why do they call them bi-planes? Most of the pictures posted here have two lower wings and one upper one. Wouldn't that be a tri-plane?

The wings are in two horizontal planes....

john70t 07-31-2013 04:47 AM

Möbius wing?
Nonplanar Wings: Closed Systems
'Still, the vortex drag of the circular ring wing is just 50% that of a planar wing with the same span and total lift..'
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1375274764.jpg

red-beard 07-31-2013 04:51 AM

That is just silly!

recycled sixtie 07-31-2013 06:23 AM

What is the point? So the pilot can take you up and you can feel the wind in your hair
providing it is an open cockpit. Pilot if he is a good guy will let you take control at a safe altitude. Attacks all the senses - very noisy etc:):)

widgeon13 07-31-2013 07:00 AM

Here you go! Not one of those tiny things. :D

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1375282771.jpg

tevake 07-31-2013 08:21 AM

^^ Is that your plane Widgeon? the radial looks fresh, nice propellor. does it rotate counterclockwise?

widgeon13 07-31-2013 09:44 AM

I could only wish. I have a Maule. Four place tail wheel.

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^^ Is that your plane Widgeon? the radial looks fresh, nice propellor. does it rotate counterclockwise?

BlueSkyJaunte 07-31-2013 10:25 AM

Completely OT, but I was driving around in Norfolk, VA two weeks ago and passed Widgeon Ave.

I LOL'd.

widgeon13 07-31-2013 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueSkyJaunte (Post 7578513)
Completely OT, but I was driving around in Norfolk, VA two weeks ago and passed Widgeon Ave.

I LOL'd.

It was originally a duck, then an airplane, it became my dogs name and now it's a street (a dead end). :D

widgeon13 07-31-2013 10:51 AM

My plane but different tail number.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1375296665.jpg

Flieger 07-31-2013 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john70t (Post 7578029)
Möbius wing?
Nonplanar Wings: Closed Systems
'Still, the vortex drag of the circular ring wing is just 50% that of a planar wing with the same span and total lift..'
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1375274764.jpg

I still don't understand how a circular wing can produce net lift. Seems you have as much wing area upside down as right side up. Or does the cross section change between the top and bottom half?

Seems like it would need to fly at a higher angle of attack, thereby causing more drag.

Iciclehead 07-31-2013 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Flieger (Post 7578570)
I still don't understand how a circular wing can produce net lift. Seems you have as much wing area upside down as right side up. Or does the cross section change between the top and bottom half?

Seems like it would need to fly at a higher angle of attack, thereby causing more drag.

You'd need to vary the airfoil cross section throughout the circle, but then again, most modern jets use a pretty close to symmetrical air foil, certainly far removed from the old undercambered airfoil designs.

Probably a bit of a complicated and precise build, not sure how it would do in cross flow situations and of course the most vertical parts would not contribute to lift at all in level flight.

I guess it is is a neat idea, the reduction of wingtip vorticies is a materal drag reduction but not sure if it would all net out positive when it is all done.

Dennis

RWebb 07-31-2013 11:33 AM

lifting bodies...

BlueSkyJaunte 07-31-2013 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Iciclehead (Post 7578615)
I guess it is is a neat idea, the reduction of wingtip vorticies is a materal drag reduction but not sure if it would all net out positive when it is all done.

The RC models I have seen with "annular wings" have had ... interesting ... flight handling characteristics.

flipper35 07-31-2013 01:10 PM

I imagine the flight control surfaces to get something like that to bank would be interesting.

john70t 07-31-2013 01:38 PM

Not sure about the areodynamics, but a loop should be stronger and more stable than a straight lever.

Build one yourself (I think it works better if the leading edge is folded)
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1375305518.jpg

Not too far off. Youtube video of an eliptical wing:
Ellipse wing airplane - closed loop wing to reduced wing tip energy loses - YouTube

USAF concept. Something closer to the OPs biplane/canards inquiry:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1375306638.jpg
BOX WING JETS

zelrik911 08-01-2013 05:14 AM

The biggest single engine biplane in the world
 
This is an Antonov 2 that does scenic flights around Melbourne Australia.
They must be quite cheap to buy out of the former Soviet Union (Poland) as I have seen some of them privately owned in club airstrips around Vancouver. Seems over over 20,000 were built & hundreds are still flying.
They have a nine-cylinder radial engine and four-blade propeller but in future may be upgraded with a US Honeywell TPE-331 turboprop and a Hartzell five-bladed propeller.

While not exactly pretty, it is quite rugged and kind of handsome (in a Howard Hughes way) up close.


http://www.an2.com.au/Site/Welcome_files/cce%20twb2.jpg


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