964 RSR Crash

[Jim Richards]

Originally Posted by Speedalac 930

A stuck throttle is not as easy to save as some may think. Time goes very quick especially if you jab it once.

Good point.

[GG Allin]

Would a car like this with a sequential box not have a third pedal?

[89911]

Originally Posted by doug_porsche

The surprising part to me is that nobody from the crowd reacted and/or tried to help.

Oh Hum. A car with two people in it is partially submerged near me. Well at least they dont have to worry about a fire. What car is coming next?

What would you prefer, the observers falling to their knee's and crying? This is a sanctioned race with ambulances, safety workers, and the rest, No? It would be analogous to jumping out of the stands and the INDY 500 for a crash. Your putting yourself in danger with more vehicles on the track. Hard to pass judgment on anyone unless you are there yourself and even then, what are you going to do?

[javadog]

Well, they might have tried to look a little concerned. Maybe put their damn phones in their pockets...

This wasn't a big race. There may not have been any untrained volunteers anywhere near this spot. I would have jumped right in and tried to help.

JR

[89911]

So this race is depending on the observers for rescue and recovery? I hope the drivers knew of this before entering.

[stuartj]

Originally Posted by 89911

What would you prefer, the observers falling to their knee's and crying? This is a sanctioned race with ambulances, safety workers, and the rest, No? It would be analogous to jumping out of the stands and the INDY 500 for a crash. Your putting yourself in danger with more vehicles on the track. Hard to pass judgment on anyone unless you are there yourself and even then, what are you going to do?

This is rally. usually, when crashes happen there is no one near by, and you rely on the next two cars for assistance. So yes , you get in there and pull the pricks out.

Just think about taking a hit like that, being stunned or maybe even unconconcious, in a caged car, in a hooped race seat, intercom cables, HANS device, in a harness- submerged and inverted. That crash could have been easily time critical.

Who said 'insurance'? lol.

[porsche4life]

Quote de doug_porsche

The surprising part to me is that nobody from the crowd reacted and/or tried to help.



Oh Hum. A car with two people in it is partially submerged near me. Well at least they dont have to worry about a fire. What car is coming next?

What would you prefer, the observers falling to their knee's and crying? This is a sanctioned race with ambulances, safety workers, and the rest, No? It would be analogous to jumping out of the stands and the INDY 500 for a crash. Your putting yourself in danger with more vehicles on the track. Hard to pass judgment on anyone unless you are there yourself and even then, what are you going to do?

So you could sleep at night knowing a guy drowned a few feet away while you stood there twiddling your thumbs? I sure as hell couldn't. I understand the concern of someone following the first car in, but I'd rather take that risk than live my life knowing I could have saved a man and didn't.

[89911]

I would sleep better at night knowing that someone better trained and suited to handle a situation would be taking care of it and not some superhero character from a comic book ripping off his shirt and diving in. If they didn't have this available at this venue or forsee the possible danger on this part of the circuit, shame on them. If your in a hospital and you see someone coding, are you going to try to resuscitate them yourself or summon the code team? Isn't this pointless anyway and they simply got out and walked away?

[porsche4life]

At a hospital with doctors and nurses around, and out beside a rally course with a car on its side in the water are two different things, and you know it. And while I may not be an EMT I do have a considerable amount of first aid training, both above and below water. And again, getting the guy out of the water is key to his survival, it doesn't take an expert to see that...

[stuartj]

Originally Posted by 89911

I would sleep better at night knowing that someone better trained and suited to handle a situation would be taking care of it and not some superhero character from a comic book ripping off his shirt and diving in. If they didn't have this available at this venue, shame on them. If your in a hospital and you see someone coding, are you going to try to resuscitate them yourself or summon the code team? Isn't this pointless anyway and they simply got out and walked away?

Then Rally is not for you.

Ive been in a crash like that, sans the water, but in the middle of fkn nowhere and was knocked out cold. Both crew got out of that car unharmed. But, the difference there may simply have been someone assisting, getting the belts undone and holding a head above water until help arrived.

Im amazed youd say other, for fear of getting wet.

[89911]

I see your point to an extent. I think in everyday life people need to do the "right thing". I can't see possible risking yourself on something others are doing as "fun" or "sport". I checked the follow up video and it wasn't as bad as I first thought.

[89911]

Originally Posted by stuartj

Then Rally is not for you.

Ive been in a crash like that, sans the water, but in the middle of fkn nowhere and was knocked out cold. Both crew got out of that car unharmed. But, the difference there may simply have been someone assisting, getting the belts undone and holding a head above water until help arrived.

Im amazed youd say other, for fear of getting wet.

It is not by any means. Thousands of people standing yards away from cars on dirt with triple digit speed. Seems crazy just like this race does. Might explain why you don't see this in the US.

[matt f]

Originally Posted by GG Allin

Would a car like this with a sequential box not have a third pedal?

There is a 3rd pedal in Cup cars w/sequential box.
I would think the RSR would have similar set-up.

[porsche4life]

Originally Posted by 89911

I see your point to an extent. I think in everyday life people need to do the "right thing". I can't see possible risking yourself on something others are doing as "fun" or "sport". I checked the follow up video and it wasn't as bad as I first thought.

Then by your logic I shouldn't try to rescue a fellow diver who is in danger, a fellow backpacker who is in trouble, etc...

I'm sorry, but just because someone is doing something of their own volition, I don't feel like that relieves me of a moral duty to try to save them if it is reasonable for me to do so, and I would hope most of society agrees with me on this. I know I sure as hell don't want to be out in the wild with anyone who doesn't...

[stuartj]

Originally Posted by 89911

I see your point to an extent. I think in everyday life people need to do the "right thing". I can't see possible risking yourself on something others are doing as "fun" or "sport". I checked the follow up video and it wasn't as bad as I first thought.

Rally is not for you.

[stuartj]

Originally Posted by matt f

There is a 3rd pedal in Cup cars w/sequential box.
I would think the RSR would have similar set-up.

Doubt it. It would be required to run in original spec, in most events. Was the 964 ever homologated with a sequential box?

[matt f]

Originally Posted by stuartj

Doubt it. It would be required to run in original spec, in most events. Was the 964 ever homologated with a sequential box?

I don't know if the 964 was ever homologated w/sequential, kinda doubt it.
My response was if it was updated to sequential, similar to the Cup car, it would have a 3rd petal.
Sorry for the confusion.

[89911]

Originally Posted by porsche4life

Then by your logic I shouldn't try to rescue a fellow diver who is in danger, a fellow backpacker who is in trouble, etc...

I'm sorry, but just because someone is doing something of their own volition, I don't feel like that relieves me of a moral duty to try to save them if it is reasonable for me to do so, and I would hope most of society agrees with me on this. I know I sure as hell don't want to be out in the wild with anyone who doesn't...

Taking it way out of context. Not sure how you went from a race observed by thousands (and hopefully run properly by a large workforce) to two people backpacking.

Anyway, The guy must of had an off day, Some dude has wet pants, and flood damage is low on the list of what this Porsche's carfax will reveal.

[stuartj]

Originally Posted by 89911

Taking it way out of context. Not sure how you went from a race observed by thousands (and hopefully run properly by a large workforce) to two people backpacking.

Anyway, The guy must of had an off day, Some dude has wet pants, and flood damage is low on the list of what this Porsche's carfax will reveal.

Its rally street stage through a town. Its not a race track. Assistance is minutes away. Car in the water after a big hit. If both crew didn't emerge after a few seconds, help was needed- immediately. Wet clothes would seem a small inconvenience.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by javadog

Well, they might have tried to look a little concerned. Maybe put their damn phones in their pockets...

This wasn't a big race. There may not have been any untrained volunteers anywhere near this spot. I would have jumped right in and tried to help.

JR

Absolutely. And Mr. 89 911, if you ever go into the water under anything but fun circumstances near me, I'm going in after you. Doesn't matter if it's through a hole in the ice. My mom was a swimming instructor and lifeguard, (with several saves under her belt), and we all learned water rescue at an early age. Maybe you don't feel confident in the water, and that is coloring your response?

At any rate, drowning is no joke. One bong hit of water and you're done as far as fending for yourself. You are going down. It's an awful way to die and I would risk nearly all to save anyone from it.