FL Retired cop, shoots texting wanker

[Heel n Toe]

Originally Posted by foxpaws

However, you haven't indicated if you do believe that the blame is equal between the two parties - do ya, punk? (channeling my inner Dirty Harry here - no disrespect intended Unless of course you are trolling, and then you've gotta ask yourself a question: "Do I feel lucky?")

I don't need luck.

Attempting to discuss whether there is equal blame or not is a fool's errand.

Both of these men messed up. Both made the situation worse.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by speeder

This part of the self-defense law seems a bit nebulous to me, but probably because I get most of my info here on PPOT. Some members, (who coincidentally carry guns in public), have claimed that they could shoot to kill anyone who so much as raises a fist to them.

You don't even have to raise a fist in Texas. In a fairly famous Houston case, Joe Horn shot a guy in the back who was on his neighbor's property and running away. He wasn't even charged.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by AFC-911

No said the killing was justified. I'm pretty sure everyone agrees on that.

What people don't agree on is that they both had an equal part in what happened.

We all agree they both could have made better decisions leading up to this mess.

Yes yes..........

They both could have made better decisions.

Who does not agree with this?

[foxpaws]

Originally Posted by AFC-911

I never said the killing is justified. I'm saying they both played a role in it.

Jesus F-ng Christ, your reading comprehension sucks. Stop putting words in my mouth.

The killing is NOT justified. But they were both asshats. That is all I'm saying. There is nothing to read between the lines here. Is that clear enough for you?

I very specifically asked if I was 'getting your drift correctly' - you don't need to come back with such a heavy handed retort. I wasn't clear on whether or not you thought it was justified - now we know that, not justified. (see that wasn't so hard) However you still haven't really made it clear if you believe that the 'blame'/result is equal.

[widgeon13]

I'm over sixty and don't approve of the behavior of either individual. The term "temporary insanity" comes to mind. I'm ready to leave it to a jury of his peers to make the final call after looking at all the evidence. Fortunately, the case will not be decided by the people on this forum.



I can't believe this has gone on for so many pages.

This is a scary bunch!

[Baz]

FP: Where are you getting this equal blame? Who said that? Not me, I know for a fact.

There is not equal blame.

Just circumstances which led up to the shooting - including poor decision making from both parties.

Not equal.

But the texter would likely still be alive today had he been courteous in the first place....that's for sure.

[Heel n Toe]

Originally Posted by widgeon13

I can't believe this has gone on for so many pages.

This is a scary bunch!

We're not scary... this is a great bunch of peeps.

With strong opinions.

It wouldn't have gone on for so many pages had it not been for all the...

[AFC-911]

Originally Posted by foxpaws

I very specifically asked if I was 'getting your drift correctly' - you don't need to come back with such a heavy handed retort. I wasn't clear on whether or not you thought it was justified - now we know that, not justified. (see that wasn't so hard) However you still haven't really made it clear if you believe that the 'blame'/result is equal.

Your reading comprehension does suck, then...I've posted that it is not justified multiple times.

[Heel n Toe]

Originally Posted by Baz

...the texter would likely still be alive today had he been courteous in the first place....that's for sure.

That point seems to be completely lost on all the personal responsibility-phobes here.

[foxpaws]

Originally Posted by Heel n Toe

I don't need luck.

Attempting to discuss whether there is equal blame or not is a fool's errand.

Both of these men messed up. Both made the situation worse.

No it isn't a fools errand. This is where the courts will go... The defense will attempt to put the 'blame' on the texter, stating he escalated the situation to where the old guy had no choice but to shoot him because he feared death or serious bodily harm (for himself or others). The prosecutor will place the 'blame' on the defendant, stating that in this situation lethal force was not necessary, and could have been avoided (choice). Now, I am not certain about Florida law - their SYG law might not stipulate that the avoidance part be included.

[foxpaws]

Originally Posted by AFC-911

Your reading comprehension does suck, then...I've posted that it is not justified multiple times.

Then why do you keep defending the shooter - just out of curiosity.

[Heel n Toe]

Originally Posted by AFC-911

Your reading comprehension does suck, then...I've posted that it is not justified multiple times.

Go easy on her... she's getting old. Memory fails, ya know.



Who loves ya, Foxy? We do. All of us.

[Heel n Toe]

Originally Posted by foxpaws

No it isn't a fools errand. This is where the courts will go... The defense will attempt to put the 'blame' on the texter, stating he escalated the situation to where the old guy had no choice but to shoot him because he feared death or serious bodily harm (for himself or others). The prosecutor will place the 'blame' on the defendant, stating that in this situation lethal force was not necessary, and could have been avoided (choice). Now, I am not certain about Florida law - their SYG law might not stipulate that the avoidance part be included.

None of that has anything to do with establishing "equal blame."

Why do you keep asking about it?

Is there a new liberal concept that I don't know about called "blame inequality?"

[AFC-911]

Originally Posted by foxpaws

Then why do you keep defending the shooter - just out of curiosity.

I'm not defending the shooter. I'm merely correcting those who think this guy was shot just for texting.

We've recently learned that the old guy has confronted other patrons before, but those people didn't get shot because they most likely didn't force the issue nor did throw things like a baby.

It's not a stretch to think the old guy was packing in those instances as well.

The difference was Mr. Hotshot's decision to engage the old man.

He obviously saw the old guy leave the theater, so he knows the old guy is already upset. Why make a heated exchange even worse?

[VaSteve]

Hey Florida....WTF is wrong with you?

Florida man allegedly rams shopping cart into Walmart customer abusing 'express lane' | Fox News

[EMJ]

Originally Posted by fintstone

EMJ
Why do you believe it was a single kernel of popcorn and.not a box?

Actually, it was a BAG. Let's see, one kernel vs. 15 kernels? Deadly?

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by EMJ

Actually, it was a BAG. Let's see, one kernel vs. 15 kernels? Deadly?

Just the unpopped kernals.. Those things can hurt if you have the velocity.

[Rikao4]

the old man wasn't /isn't used to folks barking back..
and when they do...
he forgot..
you can only shoot them, beat them if your on the force..
he wasn't...
time to do time..

Rika

[Heel n Toe]

Originally Posted by VaSteve

Hey Florida....WTF is wrong with you?

Florida man allegedly rams shopping cart into Walmart customer abusing 'express lane' | Fox News

Don't mess with grandpa.

How many times does this point have to be made?

Duck Season!

[EMJ]

Originally Posted by Heel n Toe

Good luck with that.

Foxy you can certainly circle like a champ. A trophy may be in your future.



But your age thing is new and worthy of examining.

It has nothing to do with age.

It has to do with reason.

However, I would suggest that generally, those who didn't just fall off the turnip wagon are often blessed with a bit more reason.

Life... it teaches you lessons.

Sorry, Heel, but I'll say it: Fox has kicked your arse in this debate with every post. Your resorting to pre-pubescent shenanigans and pretty colors won't change this fact. Carry on.