FL Retired cop, shoots texting wanker

[70SATMan]

If it comes out that he was on serious meds for any type of condition, that is only going to heat up the debate on the topic of open/conceal carry vs. mental states.

[AFC-911]

Originally Posted by 70SATMan

What it comes down to is whether as a society we accept that having a bag of popcorn thrown at us is justification for responding with lethal force.

I dont, regardless of who started what..

Where are you getting your information from that we accept that as a society?

[fintstone]

Seems like a good defense to me. Old, has serious documented medical issues, etc.
His history as a policeman could well work on his favor as he was closest to his attacker and observed his actions (and is trained to interpret them)...judging a deadly attack was forthcoming (how do you prove he was not right?). He was already technically being assaulted.

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by AFC-911

Would you really use the words "please, please" if you were going to snarl at someone?

Passive Agressives and Narcissists are masters at doing just that.

[foxpaws]

Originally Posted by 70SATMan

Fox, there's a link to a story from another couple that had a run in with him. The quote was from that incident.

I work with a guy that has one of those ON/OFF switches. 0-100 in 1.2 secs. You don't get much warning from him when he gets irritated and the intensity hits a peak.

All speculation I know but, the escalation could have been equally quick from both guys. Old Cop is already pissed when he heads back into the theater. This I can see clearly. Dead Guy calls him out for tattling like a bitc! and the cop throws some choice words back as well.

I know guys that are fully ready to throw down if they're called a pussy and they know it wasn't said as a joke.

What it comes down to is whether as a society we accept that having a bag of popcorn thrown at us is justification for responding with lethal force.

I dont, regardless of who started what..

His status as an ex cop will go against him at trial for murder 2 if it goes that far. His fearing for his life is a tissue thin defense. I'm sure he knows this from experience. It'll be interesting to see what his ego allows. Will he take a plea?

Plea - 10 years, out in 5 with good behavior - 'witnesses' is the key to this case along with prior behavior.

I think the 'acceptable' threshold truly depends on where you live - Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, this has a much better chance of being dismissed (although I don't think in this case it will in FL), when you read their SYG laws they are so open ended that sneezing in the general direction of someone who is having a bad day and is armed is 'reasonable cause'.

[foxpaws]

Originally Posted by AFC-911

And if you were an annoyed patron, you could take is as "snarled" where it could merely be a firm request.

It also depends on the state of mind of the listener.

Would you really use the words "please, please" if you were going to snarl at someone?

Certainly - sarcasm and snarling go hand in hand.

[HHI944]

Fox, if the DA offers that plea, I think Reeves would be a fool to turn it down. I just don't think the DA is going to offer anything.

[fintstone]

He will walk.

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by 70SATMan

Fox, there's a link to a story from another couple that had a run in with him. The quote was from that incident.

Yea, I posted a link to that article and it's important to note that the vibe put off by that man is one of a stressed person ready to go postal.


Florida theater shooting: Couple had tense run-in with Curtis Reeves - CNN.com

"As the (day) went on he just glared and glared and was grumbling the whole (time)," Jamira Dixon said.

"I don't think he saw much of the movie," Michael Dixon said.

It will be interesting to read later if he had "crazy eyes".

Don't Be A Victim |


My wife teaches at community college, one of her former students had crazy eyes, he didn't finish the term and ended up in the loony bin.

Some of her other students were so worried that some of them stayed after class to escort her out of the classroom.

Some people are just ready to snap, it's a stressful world.

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by AFC-911

Where are you getting your information from that we accept that as a society?

The board members discussing this topic are a slice of the societal pie. I'm speaking of those that feel that the "Assault by Redenbacher" was more than enough reason for the cop to "defend himself". That's why they continue to crie out "ASSAULT!".

For them, it has already been accepted... Once formally accepted in the eyes of the law one time (precedence) leads to further acceptance which leads to an "acceptance" by society.

The concept is not limited to murder in a theater.

[EMJ]

Originally Posted by 70SATMan

Passive Agressives and Narcissists are masters at doing just that.

Yes, the double "please" is a dead giveaway. Usually through clenched teeth and a forced smile. Jack Nicholas style.

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Seems like a good defense to me. Old, has serious documented medical issues, etc.
His history as a policeman could well work on his favor as he was closest to his attacker and observed his actions (and is trained to interpret them)...judging a deadly attack was forthcoming (how do you prove he was not right?). He was already technically being assaulted.

Even if all of this is seen favorably at trial, he won't walk.

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by EMJ

Yes, the double "please" is a dead giveaway. Usually through clenched teeth and a forced smile. Jack Nicholas style.

Perfect.

"Wendy? Darling? Light, of my life. I'm not gonna hurt ya. You didn' t let me finish my sentence. I said, I'm not gonna hurt ya. I'm just going to bash you fookin skull in!"

[Baz]

Originally Posted by foxpaws

Oh, Baz you make it too easy.

You are assuming that the older gentleman asked the texter in a nice way to stop texting or that the texter responded impolitely in the first 'round'.

I don't think we know what that particular exchange was.

The ex-cop could have easily said 'Shut off the phone jackass', and the texter could have replied with - 'Sorry, I'll be done in a second, heck the movie won't even start for another 10 minutes'. Again - people texting before the movie starts is pretty much standard procedure anymore, it isn't any different than patrons talking before the movie starts, and, in fact, is probably less disruptive.

Sorry - you don't know the entirety of the situation, yet you continue to imply that this could have all been avoided if the texter had been 'more polite'. Perhaps it is the case of - if the old guy had been more polite all of this could have been avoided.

edit - wow EMJ - we responded at the same time with a similar tone - it is odd that that those who continue to play the 'if only the texter had' card doesn't understand the overall problem here.

Yes.....good, FP. I like the way you think.

A discussion of courtesy instead of just the actual shooting.

So we can both agree....a little common courtesy goes a long way.

Did I ever tell you about my Dad?

Even when others were rude to him - he never crawled down in that gutter with them - and always held true to his moral compass.

Assuming either one our both of us is correct - that the initial conflict included a lack of common courtesy from either party - my point is that should be included in the discussion.

Perhaps we will know more of the dialogue in coming days.

Until then - thanks for agreeing with me about the significance of common courtesy!

[mikesride]

The old guy is guilty of causing the other mans death.....has to spend some time in jail.

[Rick Lee]

Since was denied bail, he'll have a good year in the joint before the trial gets underway.

[VaSteve]

Why'd you leave this out, kach?

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Jamira Dixon said she sent a text at 2:20 p.m. and an usher told her that she needed to put the phone away or she would have to leave the theater.

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There's another pattern. Another person that thinks they're "special," regardless of the notices on the screen that tell everyone to turn off their phones.



Off.



Consideration of others. It's a simple concept.



I wonder if the personal responsibility-phobes will have fun circling with this one, too.

She apparently uses it while driving too, so why give it up in the movie?

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

Since was denied bail, he'll have a good year in the joint before the trial gets underway.

His health will deteriorate and some favors will be quietly called in resulting in him getting a high 7 figure bail and home restriction monitored by an ankle bracelet.

He'll be out in a month.

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by URY914

This should be closed......

It is like a horrible automobile accident... I want to but I just cant look away...

[URY914]

Originally Posted by scottmandue

It is like a horrible automobile accident... I want to but I just cant look away...

Train wreck. Some where it jumped the tracks