FL Retired cop, shoots texting wanker

[ossiblue]

I have wondered if the shooter was standing or seated when he fired. I had assumed he was standing but if the theater did have stadium seating, he would be at a level that was high enough to be directly in line with the torso of a man standing below him while he remained seated. That would allow him to draw his weapon while seated, hold it down by his waist and fire in a relatively horizontal plane into the victim. I have not heard any information about this, but I believe it will play an important role during the trial.

[EMJ]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Why do you keep misdirecting as if the man was shot because the shooter did not like popcorn. The shooter claimed he did not know what he was struck with.

Of course he didn't know what he was struck with. Is he to admit that he shot someone over being hit by popcorn? Please. No "unidentified" object was found.

[70SATMan]

I can't get over those that feel throwing popcorn qualifies as a felony assault, senior or no.

I don't feel it meets the criteria. If it does, at what age should we start prosecuting? 10, 16, 18???

Felonious handling of dangerous foodstuffs. I remember a lot of incidents of angry words and food throwing while growing up...

[foxpaws]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Never seen a seat that a six footer could not punch over. Are you claiming the argument went on and the man was shot through a seat and neither could see each other?

Yes...I think if you expect me to produce a witness that said the woman was restraining her husband, I expect you to produce a witness that says she was trying to block the bullet. Especially since she could likely see neither gun nor bullet through the giant sized seats you have described.

I never said she was trying to block a bullet - got that quote....

I also never said the seats were extraordinary high - again - have you been in a theater in the last 20 years which had high back seats and stadium seating? If you have you know that if you have looked at someone behind you thinking you could hit that person and inflict great bodily harm is somewhat of a stretch. But, this is all speculation sir.

You can see over the seats, you could certainly shoot over them (the shooter was on 'high ground') it doesn't mean you could easily punch someone to the point where they feared great bodily harm over them from the lower position.

[VaSteve]

What if the texter threw the cell phone instead? Still not heavy, but wouldn't want to get hit with one thrown in anger.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by EMJ

As you are now. Give it a rest.

I was an NRA and FBI-certified firearms instructor 20-plus years ago when I was a kid. We trained with the FBI, SWAT, the military, and all types of law enforcement personnel. Hitting the bulls eye was part of the training but countless hours were always spent on when it was appropriate to use deadly force. This was beat into our heads. Believe it or not, back then, for most circumstances, it was shoot only when shot at, or when a gun was aimed at your direction in a confrontation. That's right. This is why those here defending this shooter who was a SWAT member and former police captain have absolutely no clue. No way would this guy fear for his life over popcorn or react in this manner via his training. This guy appears to have reacted in this manner because he was angry.

Well stated...

[VaSteve]

Fox, you didn't address my post from 3 pages ago.

[AFC-911]

Originally Posted by 70SATMan

I can't get over those that feel throwing popcorn qualifies as a felony assault, senior or no.

I don't feel it meets the criteria.

Spitting at someone qualifies as assault...What's your point?

Some may not feel that it qualifies, but it is what it is.

[Heel n Toe]

Originally Posted by EMJ

You've made a fool of yourself on this thread attacking those who find the shooter's actions disdainful. I don't have to prove or substantiate my opinion because it is an opinion.

Your statement to me was that Foxy kicked my arse in every exchange she had with me. You didn't say it was your opinion that she had, you declared it as fact.

I challenged you on it because I knew you could not back it up. Likewise on your new claim re: "fool" and "attacking."

You still can't back up how she kicked my arse.

So now you're trying to weasel out another way... by saying it was merely your opinion.

But you embarrass yourself even more by not realizing that any person's opinion is worthless if he/she can't show why they hold that the opinion.

So, you got nothing.

Your opinion is worth nothing.

It's apparently worth nothing to you also, because you won't even attempt to defend it.

Originally Posted by EMJ

You went on a troll-like binge for several posts filled with multi- colored text and teenage-like arguments of how the thread was circling. Several posters called you on it.

The thread was circling... very repetitive arguments following on faulty premises and/or people forgetting ground that had already been covered and people's points were rehatching themselves over and over and over.

I was also trying to bring some much-needed comic relief into the thread at the same time. Duck Season. A Bentley doing doughnuts. Reprehensible behavior, huh?

If you or a couple of others didn't get or enjoy the humor, maybe you were offended that it showed that there are those here who can't seem to accept the fact that much of the responsibility for what happened in that theatre rests with texter dude.

Personal responsibility. A simple, yet elusive concept to some of you.

Originally Posted by EMJ

The only one who should be embarrassed here is you. The rest are here debating a horrible incident. Get over yourself and the wanna-be extensive knowledge of what logic and reasoning is. You haven't a clue.

I'm guessing that's your opinion (The only one who should be embarrassed... haven't a clue), so I'll regard it as such. Worthless and just another way for you to attack me. That's fine... it shows your desperation to claim something here as you continue to find ways to look bad.

You would do well to learn a few basics on debating and what logic actually is, because you're operating by winging it and it's not working for you.

And of course it's a horrible incident. If you'd take a few minutes to peruse this thread, you'll see that I fully realize that and have made plenty of serious and substantive posts that you seem to forget while you focus on those you've cherry picked to criticize.

Originally Posted by EMJ

If you can reason that the old man was justified in shooting an unarmed man, center mass, for throwing popcorn in a movie theater, killing him, and shot his innocent wife in the process, you have serious issues.

Well, other than the fact that Florida law may have something to say about all that, you're circling again.

You are the man, EMJ... hope you have enjoyed the ride thus far.

[fintstone]

That is just silly. Unidentified to him at the time of the shooting. If he was hit with a shoe, gun, rock...all might be unidentifiable in the dark...but we could certainly identify them as a shoe, gun, rock in the daylight later.

Originally Posted by EMJ

Of course he didn't know what he was struck with. Is he to admit that he shot someone over being hit by popcorn? Please. No "unidentified" object was found.

[Rick Lee]

I can't get over those that feel throwing popcorn qualifies as a felony assault, senior or no.

Tell you what. You go get into a verbal huff with a cop and throw popcorn at him. If you come out of it with a minor misdemeanor conviction, I'll pledge to take up a collection and pay the fine for you.

[AFC-911]

Originally Posted by EMJ

I was an NRA and FBI-certified firearms instructor 20-plus years ago when I was a kid. We trained with the FBI, SWAT, the military, and all types of law enforcement personnel. Hitting the bulls eye was part of the training but countless hours were always spent on when it was appropriate to use deadly force. This was beat into our heads. Believe it or not, back then, for most circumstances, it was shoot only when shot at, or when a gun was aimed at your direction in a confrontation. That's right. This is why those here defending this shooter who was a SWAT member and former police captain have absolutely no clue. No way would this guy fear for his life over popcorn or react in this manner via his training. This guy appears to have reacted in this manner because he was angry.

Interesting you didn't reveal your background early on. It would have given your words more credibility than a ranting internet poster.

[johnsjmc]

I just looked up channel 10 news tampa. They reported (a day after the shooting) " officials said She was shot in the hand and was trying to block the bullet."
I don,t know how to link it.

[fintstone]

Just for the record...I have never waited until someone shot at me and missed to shoot them. Seems counterproductive to staying alive.

[fintstone]

I realize that...but whom did they quote? Not a witness.

Originally Posted by johnsjmc

I just looked up channel 10 news tampa. They reported (a day after the shooting) " officials said She was shot in the hand and was trying to block the bullet."
I don,t know how to link it.

[foxpaws]

Originally Posted by VaSteve

Fox, you didn't address my post from 3 pages ago.

Sorry, missed it - what was it about?

[VaSteve]

Originally Posted by johnsjmc

I just looked up channel 10 news tampa. They reported (a day after the shooting) " officials said She was shot in the hand and was trying to block the bullet."
I don,t know how to link it.

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[Heel n Toe]

Originally Posted by EMJ

As you are now. Give it a rest.

Hilarious.

Ladies and gentlemen, I think we have discovered the big, badazz BOSSMAN of this thread.



Be afraid.

Be very afraid.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

it's good that he will die in prison.

[johnsjmc]

An argument broke out between the couples, after which Reeves reportedly took out a gun and fired at Oulson and his wife. Officials said Nicole tried to block the bullet, resulting in a gunshot wound to her hand, before Chad was struck.
(Figured it out from Channel 10 Tampa )