FL Retired cop, shoots texting wanker

[Noney]

This whole thing reminds me of the film, "Falling Down".

I think the old dude had just had enough, and his patience for all the little B.S. in life finally ran out that day. The guy snapped. Mr. Texter just happened to be the one to pull the ripcord. Looking back at my life, I have FAR less patience for rudeness and bad behavior then I did in my 20's and 30's. The "Me" attitude that seems to pervade society today drives me nuts. If I hit 80, I fully expect to be sick of the whole thing and deep into "codger mode".

I guess the lesson to be learned here is: Watch out! Act like an ass all you want, but you never know when you'll be the last ass in a long line of asses and get your ass handed to you.

[foxpaws]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

You are wrong...the ratio, polite to rude, is inverse of what it was 20 years ago, let alone when I was growing up.

And no, I won't do homework for you, find a link, go to class, buy into your "anecdotal" clap trap.

It is as plain as can be.

I think you are pushing your standards onto everyone, just like most of the studies do. They compare 'rude' behavior then and now, however, they don't take into account society evolving. Do I think that talking on the phone in a restaurant rude behavior - yes I do. Does a 20 something - probably not. Therefore they don't see that as rude behavior - it doesn't 'tally' in their mind. Does not calling the older gentleman 'sir' equate to rude behavior - probably not to someone in their 30s, but to someone in their 60s - probably yes.

Every generation could post a study that says 'the younger generation isn't as polite as we were'. Meaning, they think they are polite. However, when the previous generation is questioned, they would say that the subsequent generation is ruder than they are. I don't think we are become exponentially more rude, I think each generation has a different set of parameters that they gauge 'rudeness' on.

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by 70SATMan

Back in my day we wouldn't call the cops for something like this. We'd respond with equal force...

Milk duds.

Hollow point or FMJ?

[GWN7]

Originally Posted by Jim Richards

Does that include attack by popcorn? Does it matter if it's buttered or not?

Stayed at a holiday inn a few times.....but I don't know the laws in Florida. Generally speaking:

Assault is the saying your going to kick some ones a$$. Battery is the act of hitting them. So throwing a rock at someone for the purpose of hitting him is a battery if the rock in fact strikes the person and is an assault if the rock misses.

Pound of feathers, pound of bricks or a pound of popcorn, all the same.

So old guy was being assaulted and battered by a guy half his age, a foot taller and 80 lbs heavier. Popcorn is thrown in his face, the beginning of a distracting move? So the guy can land a haymaker? Something strikes him. Was it the guy swinging at him and his wife pulled him away causing him to missing the punch? Or was it the popcorn box? Old guy defends himself. As I said in post #9 he will be found not guilty but will be ruined financially.

[gearya]

JYL, You are absolutely correct about " the "majority", in most of these threads" favoring gun use in any situation. I see that one of the crazies dissed you and Foxpaws too, but that doesn't change reality. I say this as someone who owns and uses several guns. I expect some of the gun nuts here will eventually get charged for some type of assault using a gun, will claim "self-defense" and have a prosecutor go through the threads here for use in court.

[epbrown]

Originally Posted by foxpaws

I don't think people are more or less rude then they were decades ago - I think this is a case of looking at the past through rose colored glasses. There were jerks and stupid people back then, just as there are now. There are also really nice, considerate and all around great people all over the place right now. Every generation looks back with fondness, and often with 'it was better than' blinders on.

Originally Posted by 70SATMan

Old guy that forgot what it was like to be a kid.... I vow to never do that...

I'd say the issue is that old folks DO remember what it was like to be a kid - and they remember having to treat older folks with respect and tread carefully with strangers. Throwing popcorn at a stranger, much less an older person? Had my grandparents been present for such behavior from me and I got shot, they would have apologized for my rudeness and offered to compensate him for the bullet.

Not only was it bad manners, it was bad judgement. He was surprised someone shot him over something minor, but good sense says you should always assume everyone is armed and behave accordingly, as these sorts of incidents aren't rare.

[Baz]

Who threw the first punch?

[Rick Lee]

JYL, You are absolutely correct about " the "majority", in most of these threads" favoring gun use in any situation. I see that one of the crazies dissed you and Foxpaws too, but that doesn't change reality. I say this as someone who owns and uses several guns. I expect some of the gun nuts here will eventually get charged for some type of assault using a gun, will claim "self-defense" and have a prosecutor go through the threads here for use in court.

By my count, two posters here think the gun was justified use of force. Where are all these gun nuts who support Reeves?

[genrex]

I wonder what Bernard Goetz thinks of all this.

[74-911]

Originally Posted by epbrown

.....Not only was it bad manners, it was bad judgement. He was surprised someone shot him over something minor, but good sense says you should always assume everyone is armed and behave accordingly, as these sorts of incidents aren't rare.

As one of the "old folks" of whom you speak, the above statement is certainly a glowing endorsement of our current society. We should all be proud, what a country.

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by Baz

Who threw the first punch?

it was popcorn, not punch

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by RWebb

it was popcorn, not punch

What would you do if someone threw popcorn at you after having words? Would you assume it meant they wanted to throw down? Obviously, shooting the guy is going way overboard. But would you really not punch the guy?

[Baz]

Originally Posted by RWebb

it was popcorn, not punch

OK - so who threw the popcorn first?

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by Baz

Who threw the first punch?

Goetz was threatened with a weapon and by four thugs. He had more justification than he needed (weapon and disparity of force). The idiot turned himself in and was bankrupted for it. If a guy with that much justification was bankrupted for shooting four thugs who richly deserved it, rest assured, Reeves is gonna die very broke.

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by Baz

Who threw the first punch?

What about cake? How can you have punch without cake?

[ossiblue]

Originally Posted by GWN7

...(snip)...So old guy was being assaulted and battered by a guy half his age, a foot taller and 80 lbs heavier...

First, something has to be made clear because it appears, again, in this post.
Yes, the shooter (Curtis Reeves) is 70 years old, but according to the booking records he is 6' 1" and weighs 270 lbs. Was the victim really 7'1" and 350 lbs? (I'm asking seriously, because I haven't found that information, but regardless of the victim's size, the shooter was not a frail old man as depicted/implied by several posts.)

Second, according to Florida law, "An "assault" is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so...". One thing no one knows are the actual words spoken by each man and without that information, there is no evidence (yet) that the shooter was being assaulted, or even if the victim was being assaulted. Throwing popcorn is not, in itself, an intentional unlawful threat.

Battery, according to Florida law, is when someone "1. Actually and intentionally touches or strikes another person against the will of the other; or

2. Intentionally causes bodily harm to another person."

No witness have come forward to say the victim actually touched the shooter.

[johnsjmc]

Originally Posted by Tobra

You are mistaken

Apparently the deceased routinely behaved in a confrontational manner and assaulted people with impunity up to that point.

Now on tonight,s local news (I,m in Tampa) there was an interview with another movie going couple who were accosted by the SHOOTER a couple of weeks ago about them texting at the same theatre. (He seems to routinely behave in a confrontational manner too.
I think the shooter sees himself as the texting/manners police.
As I said earlier. The shooter should have changed seats and left the enforcement of rules to the theatre management.
He was breaking the theatre rules about bringing in a gun but sees himself as above that rule.
I use the term rule because both texting and maybe his concealed weapon are not against the law.

[Rusty914s]

I have an alarm system because my insurance company calls for one and they also give me a discount.

I have all sorts of sensors in my house including fire because they are common sense.

I don't think that all that carry guns are scared but do believe that many carry guns as some sort of equalizer. I understand if you carry into a situation that you may feel uncomfortable, craigslist situation, etc...but, to a movie? That's ridiculous and I guess, illegal as well.

By the way, I have a concealed permit and own guns but cannot remember the last time that I carried a gun for protection against some perceived threat.

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I feel badly for the shooter, the old guy.





How scared do you have to be of the world that you have to carry a gun to go outside and pee? That must be a terrible place to be, not to be secure as to who you are and what you are. To expect the world to come crashing down on you at any moment where you would need to shoot someone.





That is a sad place to live. That is to be a prisoner of fear.

What makes you think people who carry guns live in fear? How does that work? Am I paranoid for having an alarm system? Am I a closet pyro for having fire extinguishers all over my house?

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

By my count, two posters here think the gun was justified use of force. Where are all these gun nuts who support Reeves?

(Crickets...)

[URY914]

Wow, 10 pages have been added to this thread while I was off line. I'm not going to go back and tried to read all the BS. But here is some local news that may not make the nations air waves....

I heard today that this is not the first time Grandpa got into with movie goers. Someone has come forward that remembers Gramps from another movie about a week before this one. He was scolding someone for talking too loud at this one.
The guy has issues and should have retired to North Carolina like most folks do in FL.