pulled my gun on someone today

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by vash

somewhere on some other forum..there is a post going titled:

"some gun toting fool pulled on me today"

"and i was just approaching his vehicle to discuss his driving skills..after he cut me off dangerously"

maybe a road rage forum.

He's back!

The concept of a road rage forum made me giggle. Sorta like when people talk about their street racing conquests, but in road rage form?

[ILXLR8]

It is hard to have a level opinion on this since you have to be there to "feel" the entire situation. And at the same time it can be seen from many different angles, even if you were present.

But, here is a fresh example of how things could escalate very fast.

Adrian Broadway, Teen, Allegedly Gunned Down By Willie Noble Over Egging Prank

[rusnak]

^ That is a tragedy for sure, but it's really not even remotely similar to the OP's situation. Completely different, with totally different circumstances and does little to illustrate anything in this discussion.

The DA in that case is using the power of the public to press revenge charges. First degree? Hardly. Terroristic acts? No, sorry. I don't know why DAs over charge. It seems like an abuse of their power to me. They should press charges that are supported by provable facts, not press charges in order to make certain people feel good.

[EMJ]

Interesting scenario. Firstly, if you're carrying legally, the assumption is that you're carrying for self defense. In this case, the aggressive guy who came at the OP was clearly out of line. But putting things back on the OP, let's say the aggressor doesn't back off. Calls you an a-hole and throws a couple of punches on the side of the door when he sees your piece. What then? You put a couple of center mass rounds in him? Take him down? In front of your wife and son? This is where it gets hairy.

I fully understand the OP's actions. Just wondering if showing the weapon is worth the potential for what is to follow. In this case, sure, it worked out. In other cases, the aggressive driver might not be fazed by seeing the gun. This might actually anger him even more. Then you would have to do what you have to do. And all for what? Just sayin'.

[Joe Bob]

Originally Posted by rusnak

^ That is a tragedy for sure, but it's really not even remotely similar to the OP's situation. Completely different, with totally different circumstances and does little to illustrate anything in this discussion.

The DA in that case is using the power of the public to press revenge charges. First degree? Hardly. Terroristic acts? No, sorry. I don't know why DAs over charge. It seems like an abuse of their power to me. They should press charges that are supported by provable facts, not press charges in order to make certain people feel good.

FNG Lawyers become DAs, lawyers are dicks, FNG DAs have tiny penises..... With experience they become Black Audi driving douche nozzles that take up two parking spaces. nuff said.

[rusnak]

EMJ.....Because you have a wife and son in the car with a crazy deranged man trying to do you and possibly them harm?

[rusnak]

Originally Posted by Joe Bob

FNG Lawyers become DAs, lawyers are dicks, FNG DAs have tiny penises..... With experience they become Black Audi driving douche nozzles that take up two parking spaces. nuff said.

They are cocky SOBs that need to strut.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by EMJ

Interesting scenario. Firstly, if you're carrying legally, the assumption is that you're carrying for self defense. In this case, the aggressive guy who came at the OP was clearly out of line. But putting things back on the OP, let's say the aggressor doesn't back off. Calls you an a-hole and throws a couple of punches on the side of the door when he sees your piece. What then? You put a couple of center mass rounds in him? Take him down? In front of your wife and son? This is where it gets hairy.

I fully understand the OP's actions. Just wondering if showing the weapon is worth the potential for what is to follow. In this case, sure, it worked out. In other cases, the aggressive driver might not be fazed by seeing the gun. This might actually anger him even more. Then you would have to do what you have to do. And all for what? Just sayin'.

The CCH classes tell you to never pull your weapon if you are not prepared to use it. Prudent advice for your above scenario. Anybody that has ever dealt with a bully knows that they tend to pick on those weaker than them, and the quickest way to deter them is a punch in the nose. I see this similarly - not much good can come from playing the victim. Just ask that Range Rover driver in NY.

[EMJ]

Originally Posted by rusnak

EMJ.....Because you have a wife and son in the car with a crazy deranged man trying to do you and possibly them harm?

Agree. I get why he did it. Just saying that showing the gun to the aggressor could've possibly led to an even worse circumstance in which he might need to use lethal force. So he takes down the nut job. That's not the end of it. There's law enforcement to deal with, the victim's family, fear of retribution, trauma for wife and kid, etc. As to whether or not the OP was justified, I think, absolutely. The question: Is all the potential trouble that comes with showing your weapon worth it? This could've gone south in a hurry.

[EMJ]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

The CCH classes tell you to never pull your weapon if you are not prepared to use it. Prudent advice for your above scenario. Anybody that has ever dealt with a bully knows that they tend to pick on those weaker than them, and the quickest way to deter them is a punch in the nose. I see this similarly - not much good can come from playing the victim. Just ask that Range Rover driver in NY.

Well said, Matt.

[rusnak]

True, CCW classes teach you to keep your gun holstered and concealed unless you're going to shoot to kill.

But when hairy chit is goin down, you don't have time to think about what's prudent and start second guessing the situation. You have to have it worked out in advance so that you can react.

If there is a threat to yourself, then the first choice is to leave the area safely. You don't have an obligation in many states (including Calif), but by all means that is my first preference. If you can't leave without the enraged knucklehead trying to hurt you, then....well that's how people end up dead I guess.

About a year ago, I was in my 911 at a stop light. A guy on a bike tries to ride over to my driver's door and open it. I revved the motor, and dumped the clutch. Left in a big cloud of smoke and skreetching tires. What the idiot didn't know is that Plan B was to make him dead. Since then, I've worked out a Plan C which involves a police taser. I would not hesitate to go with any of them.

It gets more complicated when you see someone assaulting another person. I've encountered that too, and elected to wait until weapons are produced. They were not.

Edit: I should add that he had his hand on the door handle, and I yanked it out of his hand when I burned rubber out of there. Would you even stop to say to yourself "omg what about a lawyer?" I can tell you that you won't.

[Z-man]

Originally Posted by EMJ

Agree. I get why he did it. Just saying that showing the gun to the aggressor could've possibly led to an even worse circumstance in which he might need to use lethal force. So he takes down the nut job. That's not the end of it. There's law enforcement to deal with, the victim's family, fear of retribution, trauma for wife and kid, etc. As to whether or not, the OP was justified, I think, absolutely. The question: Is all the potential trouble that comes with showing your weapon worth it? This could've gone south in a hurry.

There's a saying, "Every bullet is attached to a lawyer."