E-cigarettes
 

I go to my favorite restaurant today and my buddy who owns the place has let a group of "Vapers" (their words) use the front of the place for a meeting to discuss their agenda to get their vice approved.

Smoking has been banned in public indoor places for a bunch of years here. You want to smoke, go ahead kill yourself. As a ex smoker it doesn't really bother me.

Well I walk in the door and the place stinks. I don't know who these "Vapers" think they are kidding but as far as I am concerned it smells as bad as smoking, possibly worse as it's a chemical smell. Maybe worse for you because it concentrates nicotine into the air.

There was about 35 people In the group and the waitress tells me everyone of them was vaping at the same time. She asked them to stop as the other customers were complaining about the smell and one a$$ clown decides to tell her it's his right to "vape". Mr. "It's my right" starts talking down to the waitress. Telling her she doesn't know anything (she actually has a degree on her wall) and the other waitress was ok with him vaping. And the owner "Jim" said it was ok. The owners name is actually Rick and this waitress lives with him and rules the roost. It was shortly just after this happened that I arrived.

I listened to there spiel about fund raising and how they can get the "message" out to the public. What a crock of chicken stuff.

It is just more trendy crap for the young ones to accumulate these days. Kind of like mindless sheep that get things because all their friends have them.

If it starts to get out of hand, I'll just keep a bottle of cheap, vile spray cologne at the ready and give as good as I get....

Smoking for people that are too big of pussies to really smoke - what did you expect?:D

These weren't kids. Mid 30's to 50 year olds. Should know better.

I wondered what this trend was. Back when I was i college, I worked in a lumber mill. Now, in a lumber mill, smoking is a bad idea, but folks were allowed to smoke - in the break rooms.

I was the only guy in the crew that DIDN'T smoke. So lunchtime was a bit "hazy" for me - fourteen people smoking in a 10x15 room means a LOT of smoke. I am forever cured from wanting to smoke, or from minding at all about cigarette smoke. Aversion therapy, I think they call that. :)

Anyway, I have seen folks sucking on these things and breathing out some sort of vapor, but I had no idea what it was. Thanks for cluing me in.

go over and fart up the "vapers" meeting and blow one on "mr. it's my right" for good measure.

I used to smoke, and the last time I quit (2 yrs ago) it was a real battle. I ended up using Nicorettes. That did the trick

About 4 months ago I started craving again, real bad. I've been on the gum again ever since. I love it, and don't see myself quitting them anytime soon.

I have ZERO interest in the e cigs... I think they're goofy, but could understand if the ACT of smoking was important to someone. It wasn't for me... I just need my nicotine!

Technically it was legal, though, right? Presuming the proprietor allowed it?

There's no by-law or provincial law against it yet?

I vape. I tend to doubt that the vapors smell worse than smoke; might just have been your "defensiveness" against them doing it. I say this because while I am addicted to nicotine and cigarettes, I absolutely loathe the smell of them, while the stuff I use to vape actually smells damn good. I refuse to smoke in my home because of the stench. Vaping...actually makes the room smell like what I'm "smoking" (it smells like the candy Fireballs--very cinnamon). Granted, I've never been in a room with 35 people vaping...I guess that could get a little weird smelling, especially if they're all smoking different flavors...

Right. Though, the federal government has declared that you can't vape in a federal building, since they've decided to classify them just like cigarettes. I work in a federal building, so still have to go outside for my "smoke break."

I quit smoking a few years ago. I have a lingering curiosity to try one of those things, but I know better.

The last f'ing thing I need is to enrich some company with an addiction to something with negligible side effects!

I use an e-gig, been almost 6 months now and this is the first thing that has actually got me off cigs. I am not a douce that would pull that kind of stunt though, everyone in a public place should agree it's OK.

I still think it's funny to see some people pretend to hack when I blow out some water vapor :)

I do have staff that take it a little far at customer sites; puffing in meetings, etc.

I am working on lower the nicotine to nothing then quitting, but it's still a ways away.

I guess there are smokers/vapors just as adamant about there crap as non-smokers are about theirs.

Actually it's all in a grey area. The e cigarettes can't be sold as a smoking cessation device. Years of testing and specific labelling would be required first. That is up here in Canada. I have no ideas what the laws are in the USA or other parts of the world.

It's interesting to note that "testing has demonstrated that products labelled as nicotine-free often contain nicotine" and "e-cigarette companies, many of which are now owned by major tobacco companies, are using every trick in the tobacco industry’s marketing playbook. For the first time in 40 years, ads showing sexy young men and women “smoking” are back on television."

So get them hooked on the nicotine and then start selling them the "real" thing?

It stunk and this is coming from a ex smoker.

72 hours is all it takes to get the nicotine out of your system. That's from when you actually quit. After that it's all a head game.

One guy mentioned at breakfast this morning that nicotine is what he kills bugs in his garden with, so I looked it up. " Treated insects exhibit leg tremors, rapid wing motion, stylet withdrawal (aphids), disoriented movement, paralysis and death". Yes I really want to be in a room full of people breathing that out in unregulated dosages.

My daughter "vapes" as a crutch while she is quitting smoking. She hasn't has a cig for a couple of months so it is time for her to stop vaping. I smokes for 35 years and quit last spring and I understand the need for help. They are nowhere close to a stinky as a real cig but they do leave an aroma.

aroma sounds much better than odor.

Odor sounds much better than stink.

Stink sounds much better than stench.

A stench is better than a funk

Reek conveys the gravity of stink without the petulance

There is nicotine in those things, most of them anyway.

Some people are inconsiderate, on both sides of this particular subject. Around here it is usually the non-smokers that are sort of a pain, and I don't smoke.

we started seeing stagehands using these openly during work calls and I being a nonsmoker don’t like it. I find it distracting and I know that there are other things you can put in those things; oils distilled from Pot can be used the same way in those things. Then you have workers getting high at work and looking you in the eye doing it-

Been using one for over 2 years now.

Smoked a pack of Marlboro Reds a day for way longer than I care to think about.

Had gotten to the point that with each one I smoked I could feel it killing me.

Over the years I had tried everything, cold turkey, patch, gum, even Chantix all with mixed results, the Chantix being the worst. Made me roid rage angry 24/7.

My brother, 2 years older and also a smoker got me my 1st starter kit.

Made the full switch from analog to digital in 3 days and have not touched a cigarette since.

I'm addicted to Nicotine but what I have come to realize it's more than just the addictive properties.

There is a lot f research recently using Nicotine therapy for things like adult ADD and slowing the progression of age related loss of cognitive abilities.

When I started the eciggs they contained a nicotine level close to what I was getting from cigarettes. My plan was to step down the dosage over time and about 3 months ago I had been at the lowest level you could buy. But I was having trouble functioning so I stepped back up one level and my ability to focus improved.

My theory is that those of us who have difficulty quitting smoking are not just experiencing nicotine withdrawal. There is a benefit to us in using nicotine and we've pretty much been self medicating without knowing it. We quit and get past the first week but we are not ourselves and the only thing we know to do is get back on the smokes.

Am I happy about it? No. But right now it's a balance that works for me.

Yeah, I have always thought there was more to it than simple addiction.

I've sat right next to a esmoker and have not got one wiff of anything. Maybe its me, but I cant tell, and the room does not smell.

Really depends on the flavor they are using.

I started with the tobacco flavors but moved onto sweeter fruiter flavors.

I buy 2 bottles every 3 weeks. $15 a bottle. Costs the same as a weeks worth of smokes. Always 2 different flavors as you can switch off to avoid getting what we call dead tongue. If you stick to the same flavor all the time you stop tasting it.

Right now I have a sour strawberry and a pomegranate.

I've never heard a complaint. In fact people comment they like the smell.

A e store just opened up in town, I'll have to go investigate.

I've already seen cases of people vaping where they shouldn't; somehow they must think they're not smoking. Just this past week there was a guy in the local supermarket vaping away. I was at the San Diego airport last December and there was a table full of guys doing it.

Am I the only one who thinks those things look like a kazoo?

I believe they are also permitted on airplanes now...

You Can't Smoke E-Cigarettes In Planes - Business Insider

Electronic Cigarettes Banned On U.S. Flights

They were never allowed but they were not banned either.

The rule most people are defaulting to in absence of any legislation is to ban it where smoking is banned.

But if they want to ban it because of the poly glycol emissions they've got a problem because the carrier liquid poly glycol is the same as what is used in breathing aid devices like asthmatic inhalers and a crapload of air treatment systems.

"Propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol were first registered in 1950 and 1959, respectively, by the FDA for use in hospitals as air disinfectants."
"Indoor Non-Food: Propylene glycol is used on the following use sites: air treatment (eating establishments, hospital, commercial, institutional, household, bathroom, transportational facilities); medical premises and equipment, commercial, institutional and industrial premises and equipment; laundry equipment; hard non-porous surface treatments (bathroom facilities); automobiles; air conditioning filters; pet treatment, including cats, dogs, and caged birds; environmental inanimate hard surfaces; garbage containers/storage."

I've vaped on flights plenty. No one has ever complained. Just don't go blowing copious amounts of vapor. If you hold it long enough nothing comes out. I've vapped sitting right next to people and they have not even noticed. It also does not set off the detectors in the lavatories.

They actually sell them onboard for in flight use on RyanAir over in the UK.

Preparing the way for public use in CO and WA?

Bingo. I've just recently self-diagnosed with adult ADD, and among the things I've done to balance myself out (diet, exercise, sleep routine) I have also started to look at nicotine differently. Instead of a vice that I have to eliminate, I see it as something that I've used to self medicate for years, and that it might actually have a useful place in my daily routine as something other than a "crutch"

I like the gum, because it is innocuous and pretty much invisible.

The whole add/nicotine link is a very interesting subject... it was certainly one of those " ah ha " moments for me, and I've been reading about it a lot.

How much are cigs in TX? They are about $10 a pack in Hawaii.

Last time I bought a pack $6.50.

You think $10 is bad?

Try NYC, think they are close to $15.

My knowledge on this is second hand, (no pun intended) but a colleague of mine is quitting smoking for health reasons and went to a "vape" meeting to learn more about them.
He called them a bunch of freaks. A group of whacked out people with bongs showing off how much they can inhale in one shot. Blowing out huge clouds that they could make shapes with. More than one guy was wearing a superhero shirt.
Yes it sounds like people are using them to quit smoking, but I guess people will abuse anything they can.

It's become a bit of a hipster thang.

E-stores commonly have lounges and scheduled social events.

Not unlike a cigar bar.

Just different clientele.

I go, buy my stuff and split.

For a lot of people it's not about quitting but more about finding an alternate method of Nicotine delivery.

My wife and I were in the check-out line at a Penney's a few weeks ago in a local mall. All of a sudden we smell this strange smell and I look up and the 20-something standing five in front of us has pulled a v-cig out of his pocket and is puffing away. And he was standing with a women that seemed to be his mother. I wanted to pop him up side of the head and ask him where the hell he thought he was. And my wife was goin to pop them mother too. We couldn't believe it.