...even blind squirrels find a few nuts....

Dennis

Those stolen passports were from countries whose citizens need visas to fly to the PRC. I guess they don't check real closely in most airports when looking to see if you have a visa for the country to which you're flying, as it's not their problem once you leave their country.

Last time I got a Chinese visa from a local travel agency, I know they did not mail my passport to the Chinese consulate in LA (they claim they do), but rather just stuck the decal visa in my passport and called me to come back and get it two days later. Those visas can't be too hard to forge and they'd just need to be good enough to pass a quick look by someone in KUL, the perps knowing they won't make it to the PRC, where they'd get a computer check.

Doush Hound has spoken

"afterburn" lusting for ban island vacation?

??? :confused:

Come on man, she didn't say anything to warrant that.

US airlines have adopted much stricter protocols about cockpit access. Is the same true of foreign airlines? Is it still possible to storm the cockpit?

Fed Ex flt 705 comes to mind.

Federal Express Flight 705 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What the heck is this in that link?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1394329807.jpg

Godspeed to those who perished...

AWwwww poor poowolfy
feelings hurt ?
LOL
How is the hot lamp feeling?
Anymore military stuff you want to share? :eek:
LOL
Like I told you, you are way over your head here.....
You have NO, none, life experience with life and death.
You are a newby,A green horn at 50 something.
You have not , can not fathom the things you wish you take on and wish you could talk about like you been there done it.
You are strictly the game boy type, virtual soldier ...and then you even whimper like a lil pup.
woof

Your unprovoked and barely literate attacks have all the weight of a beating by featherduster.

I once called you a "Class A twit." I was very wrong about that, you are not a Class A twit, and the moderators helped me see the error of my ways with a ban. How your boorishness is still tolerated is a complete mystery.

There is always something some one may know that we do not. Even though I may strongly disagree with a great deal of what Porwolf may write, he has accurately corrected me a few times. In specific memory I made a goof as I didn't understand what BAC was measured in, incorrectly thinking it was a percent, rather than a percent of a percent.

People who cannot "let things go", and keep arguments hot across every thread some one posts, end up looking the more foolish to the rest of the pelicans than even the stupidest poster that ever visit this board..

OMG that is a crazy dude. I can't imagine what the Fed Ex crew went through. And to fly a dC10 inverted and land overweight!? Those guys are amazing.

Its an incredible story.

FedEx Flight 705 - Fight For Your Life - YouTube

Seriously man. It is not ok to walk around that angry at some faceless person the internet.

Another PARFie who can't keep a civil tongue in his head outside of PARF.

Really detracting from the purpose of this thread, which is to discuss the missing flight, not afterburn 549's personal issues.

I believe the 777 in question was previously involved in an incident at Shanghai Pudong where its wing tip was busted off. I imagine it was repaired before she went back into service.

Just heard tickets bought with stolen passports bought at the same time. I'll have to check that more.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/09/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Yes, The incident dates from Aug 2012.

I suspect whoever put that article was guilty of an incomplete cut and paste.

Best
Les

The plane went KABOOM...

If it had suffered a mechanical or structural failure the crew would have had a bit of time to send off some kind of message.

There is a possibility of the plane suffering some kind of explosive mechanical failure which would have vaporized them in an instant. However with the 2 stolen passport people on Board the odds go way down that both events would occur on the same flight.

Odds are approaching 90% + that this was an act of Terrorism in one form or another.

A plane going down is always an absolute tragedy. Prayers for the families of the dead. RIP.

Meanwhile, is there anything further on foul play? I can't seem to find anything credible online.

With the previous damage to the wing tip, I'm betting the wing came off entirely. Too much of a coincidence to ignore. That could explain why no mayday call .. too busy wondering which way is up.

It's driving me crazy that they haven't found any debris yet, it's been at least 36 hours since the reported oil slick. You would think they could practically pinpoint the last reported location from the transponder.

Regarding the passports, I found this interesting:

Air force chief: Malaysia jet may have turned back

Would not a terrorist proudly proclaim the deed?
I am not convinced of the terrorism angle, yet.
Not checking for stolen passports? Seams like dereliction of duty, to me. There IS a data base. They DO have computers. WTF?
Talk about a red flag. Jeez.
You can't even get on the plane to America, if you stole a pack of gum, when you were a teenager, and charged accordingly.
(note: i never got caught. )

Some what off topic to this plane crash, but gotta love Google ad-words.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1394379729.jpg


Still surprised they haven't found any wreckage. If it was terrorism, could they have flown 3000 miles off track without detection and ditched the plane in the middle of the Pacific?

Vaporized an airliner? Not likely.

The persons with the 2 stolen passports bought consecutive tickets?

That's too much of a coincidence to ignore.

No communication from the plane before it vanished?

Connect the dots folks.....this is a terrorist act! :(

Terrorists want you to see it not search for it. If there's a lot of stolen passports, it's a couple family members flying together or something. That part of the world isn't as "legal" as it is here per some of the posts above.

These are my questions after learning of the facts, so far (and yes, those facts may/will change.)

1. If the plane exploded/disintegrated at 35,000 feet, there may be little debris found, but why would there be an oil slick? (My thought would be the slick is not related to the plane.)

2. If the slick is related to the plane, why is there no debris in the area?

3. The pictures of the slick I've seen look like bunker fuel, not the rainbow sheen of jet fuel. Does jet fuel look like that when exposed to salt water?

4. There is indication the plane may have made a turnabout. If so, could that indicate a breach of the cockpit/hijack attempt which also precluded any communication from the plane?

Anyone who can shed some light on these questions is welcome to offer up their responses for the good of all.

Didn't happen after Pan Am 103 or 9/11 or when N. Korea blew up KAL 858. Plenty more examples of terrorists keeping quiet about their deeds, letting affected government decide when and how to make it public.

You would think a terrorist organization would claim and advertise it if it was a terrorist act.

I think the key here is the word "organization." Lone terrorists who operate without organized control but out of personal radicalization are rampant and of the greatest threat to everyone (remember the Boston Marathon bombings--lone wolves and no terrorist claims then.) Evidence, so far, is pointing in the terrorist direction, IMO, but it is still very early in the investigation. It is a possibility that must remain on the table.

If we've learned anything from the last 20 years it's that he who postulates first is usually 100% looking up his own ass canal. In fact, there seems to be an inverse relationship between speed of speculation and blowing one's self for being right later.

Well, I'm gonna speculate that, if this whole thing turns out to be a result of the stolen passports, governments will start getting serious about flagging stolen passports in some database. I just sent mine in for renewal last week, so this is fresh in my mind. I didn't like dropping my current and valid passport into that mailbox.

correct. the easiest way to look smart is to keep your mouth shut for the first 24 hours.



i imagine the airports have surveillance footage of all the passengers walking through. the spy types have to be running facial recognition software and using all other means to identify the ones running on stolen passports.

i don't want to use the word terrorism. but having a plane just fall apart mid air is only slightly more likely than a meteor strike.

First of all, it is sad to hear about the loss of lives.
Second, the passport issue combined with NO communication from the pilots does raise a big honking red flag.
Third, if it is terrorism, the govt may want to bury it so as to avoid a panic in the public which would result in economic problems. Yeah, I know, it does have a shade of foil hat conspiracy theories but you can't possibly believe that we haven't buried fact before (army testing drugs and diseases on humans...).
Capt Obvious says if it walks like a duck...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1394386071.jpg

Finally, anyone else seeing this as a plot out of The Blacklist?

Gosh I hope I haven't embarrassed myself by postulating. I feel so stupid.

Fixed it for you...sarcastic font mode engaged! :cool:

look up the threads on the tucson shooting or boston bombing to see some truly embarrassing wild ass speculation.

You are funny. :)

There are a lot of governments involved in this investigation and few of them have mutual motivations. I can't see any two of them cooperating in a cover up, no matter the cause.