777 down

[Chocaholic]

Originally Posted by Aurel

I am wondering if the flight simulator the captain had in his home could give a clue on what kind of manovers he was training for. We may find that he was training for fast ascensions to 45,000 feet to knock out the passengers, and that would make him the culprit. I am not sure if the software keeps track of it though, like a black box, but that is definitely something to look into. The next question is about motive, and I will never understand why people who want to commit suicide also feel they have to take 200+ lives with them.

How common is it for a commercial pilot to build and maintain his own sophisticated (or so it's been described) simulator in his own home, all for his own personal use?

[fingpilot]

We're not even going to know another real fact until the plane is found.

Even then, there may not be much useful data in the CVR.

The FDR might capture the final moments and the last flight.

[hardflex]

maybe it's been covered already but I was wondering if knowledge to disable the critical flight systems is common training for the 777 pilots, or does it point to a very knowledgeable insider ?

[ossiblue]

Originally Posted by fingpilot

We're not even going to know another real fact until the plane is found.

Even then, there may not be much useful data in the CVR.

The FDR might capture the final moments and the last flight.

^^Spot on.^^

Everything, to date, is speculation as it has to be in any investigation but in nearly all other investigations, there is an increase in real facts as the investigation progresses. The truly unfortunate circumstance in this case is that the speculation--theories, if you will--can only be supported or dismissed by pieces of data which, themselves, are open to interpretation and are not real, verifiable facts. The most concrete data relate to speculations as to the plane's location (satellite pings) but it becomes pure speculation with no verifiable evidence as to from where the pings last emitted.

As to the persons responsible, there are no real facts as yet and may never be, even if the plane is found and there are no survivors. Certainly finding the black boxes will answer lots of technical questions and confirm original theories, but they will likely never help determine the individuals responsible nor the motive for the entire situation. The best source for evidence of motive would be the CVR which records over itself after 2 1/2 hours. Not only did the flight last longer than that, but whoever was responsible and knew enough to hide the flight would be smart enough to disable or make sure the CVR did not disclose any information (speculation, of course) unless it was intentional.

Assuming the interpretation of data is correct, the leading theories point to human intervention by a highly skilled/knowledge individual or individuals who took the plane purposely in a different direction and destination. That's about it. Certainly someone with familiarity with 777's was involved--could be the pilot or anyone who researched the plane in depth. Likely the pilot was involved but willingly? Pure speculation with no data.

The plane will likely be found. The responsible parties and the motive may never be determined.

[sc_rufctr]

IMO... The plane will never be found. Maybe sometime in the future some debri will be found washed up on a beach somewhere but that's it.

[fingpilot]

I personally think if even the worst case scenario in the hijack plan was that the plane goes down in the ocean and nothing is ever found.

Look around. I think one of the most palpable definitions of terror has come to pass.

[VaSteve]

The more we hear about the pilot,seems he came a little unglued lately. If this was planned, there is some hope. If this was improvised on the fly, probably not. Either way...if this plane just showed up somewhere in another country, some one will talk. Even the remotest backwater in Pakistan has people that heard about this. There's no way to control 200 angry people outside the plane. Its probably crashed somewhere and we'll never understand it.

[trekkor]

I think it's in a hanger.

[maxnine11]

I think it's in a hanger.

no, it looks like it is out on the tarmac:


Boeing 777-300

[Chocaholic]

That is just wrong, on so many levels.

[kach22i]

India's military said there is no way the plane came though their airspace.

I'm guess that 70% of their resources are focused on Pakistan, 20% on Sri Lanka and that leaves 10% for a whole lot of everything else.

[afterburn 549]

I will bet you a beer, or a good dark Ale it is on the hard,
And like said The USA knows where. just wants to let it be for a min.
There could be a 100 good reasons even with the looser in charge .

[HardDrive]

Originally Posted by maxnine11

no, it looks like it is out on the tarmac:


Boeing 777-300

I know I'm not supposed to laugh, but thats pretty funny.

[recycled sixtie]

What kind of airline pilot would have a simulator in his house? Seems kind of strange to me....

[pavulon]

If that plane resumes pinging, things will get pretty frantic really quick.

[Rusty914s]

There are some very insightful opinions/posts and then there is the Shiite below...How much alcohol does one need to consume to type this mess? Thanks for the lulz...

I will bet you a beer, or a good dark Ale it is on the hard,

And like said The USA knows where. just wants to let it be for a min.

There could be a 100 good reasons even with the looser in charge .

[Aurel]

The clues are pointing to the captain even more, now that we learn his entire familly moved out of the house the day before the plane disappeared...

[porsche4life]

Originally Posted by pavulon

If that plane resumes pinging, things will get pretty frantic really quick.

I bet it will have fighter escorts very quickly...

[BRPORSCHE]

I get on a 777-200ER in about 9 hrs. Let's hope they decide to keep the transponder on... Or that thing will be lite up like a christmas tree.

[recycled sixtie]

Originally Posted by Aurel

The clue are pointing to the captain even more, now that we learn his entire familly moved out of the house the day before the plane disappeared...

If this is a suicide this is how it could play out.
Extra pilot the cruise pilot goes back to have a snooze.
Captain locks the door.
Captain being big and suicidal overpowers and kills copilot.
He shuts off the transponder, pulls circuit breakers to transponder and other related comm. stuff.
He puts his O2 mask on.
He depressurizes the aircraft slowly.
Everybody in the back become unconscious.
Captain pushes nose over towards the ocean.
This is one possible outcome. Scary stuff.
G.