Oh my gawd. It's glorious. GLORIOUS! I tell you! (new monitor day)

WolfeMacleod · 11:05 PM

Vizio just released their new 4K tv's. Like Scott R posted a few days ago, I also hit Costco yesterday and picked one up moments after it came off the truck.

I won't be using this as a TV. This is the new PC monitor.

(edit #2)

After fighting with the Vizio P for a month to get it to do 4K@60hz, I've returned the set and replaced it with a Panasonic AX800. 4K/60 right out of the box, with full 4:4:4 chroma support, unlike the Vizio. See below... The Panasonic is 10x what the Vizio was.

Let. Me. Tell. You.

Iracing @4K is FREAKING INSANE!

Even better on the Panasonic. Nice, smooth motion, no 30hz judder/skipping with fast motion.

Next up is a new graphics card with HDMI 2.0 to support the 4K @ 60hz.

EDIT

Ok, it's been about two weeks since I got this set, and I wanted to give an update.

While it's still "Glorious" I am quite disappointed with it, overall. Here's why...

HDMI 2.0 is needed to pass 4k resolution at a 60hz refresh rate. With the introduction on Nvidia's new 900 series cards, they're the first cards to feature HDMI 2.0. You would think that 4K@60hz would be a no-brainer, right?

Wrong.

Vizio neglected to include 4:4:4 chroma (basically, full-color) support @4k/60, possibly due to a limitation of HDCP 2.2 inclusion. Then, Nvidia neglected to support 4:2:2 chroma support over HDMI. Leaving the user with what might be a 4:2:0 or 4:1:1.
This means that 4k@60hz does not work. 30hz is laggy, and unusable for smooth gaming. Mouse skipping galore. As long as nothing is moving, it looks freaking stellar.

I can set to a 2650x1600 resolution @30hz. As with the 4k, looks great... until you ramp it to 60hz via a forced custom resolution, then it looks like crap, as with 1080 below...

1080p resolution at 60hz looks good, even better than the previous Vizio I was using as a monitor. But ramp it up to 120hz, and all text becomes a blurry, crayon-like mess due to down-sampling of chroma. About 75% of color information is tossed out.

Chroma subsampling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here's an image showing the difference...

Basically, that's it in a nutshell.

cstreit · cstreit's Garage

Greeeat.. Thanks for tempting me.

WolfeMacleod · 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cstreit

Greeeat.. Thanks for tempting me.

You're welcomes

It really is very insane.
Keep in mind, that @ 4k, HDMI will only pass 30hz refresh rate, unless it's HDMI 2.0.

Nvidia just released newer 900 series cards specs with HDMI 2.0. EVGA's brand new GTX 970 and 980 have HDMI 2.0. They're selling out quickly. On release day, I wasn't able to get into the "store" on the website to purchase one. The price for those is great, considering I picked up a GTX 760 for nearly as much a few months ago. bleh.

Don Ro · 09-25-2014, 08:11 PM

I do need a new TV...well, maybe "need" is not the right word, but...
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How the hell did Vizio make a $999 4K TV? | The Verge
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"I also asked McRae how Vizio had managed to hit that price point — he told me his team had completely redesigned the backlight to use 40 percent fewer parts, which reduced his overall component cost. "The picture quality goes up, but the cost goes down," he said. Vizio is also designing its own six-core chips now, which allowed the company to reduce costs even further. Matt says the goal is to rapidly accelerate the mainstream adoption of 4K to just a year or two — and take the sales lead in the process.

All that said, the P-Series looked pretty solid last night, with great colors, sharp details, and good black levels. We'll have to see what it's really like when we get our review unit — stay tuned."

WolfeMacleod · 10-05-2014, 11:34 AM

bump for update. After two weeks and a zillion hours with tech support, I'm somewhat disappointed.

gorthar · 10-05-2014, 11:42 AM

I've got that wheel...Nice setup!

Gogar · 10-05-2014, 05:53 PM

I think the Fractal is slowing you down. Yep, that's it.

WolfeMacleod · 10-05-2014, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Gogar

I think the Fractal is slowing you down. Yep, that's it.

Man, if you haven't tried one of those, do so soon. I hated digital for the longest time...touched nothing digital since a Zoom 8080 I had in '98... I gave it away.
The Fractal stuff changes the digital game entirely. Blows me away.

lane912 · 10-21-2014, 01:48 PM

just got the Samsung 4k @28" 450$$$

and if you use the displayport input it will do 3840x2160@60hz
and this monitor does 10 bit color depth and 1ms latency ---

WolfeMacleod · 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by lane912

just got the Samsung 4k @28" 450$$$

and if you use the displayport input it will do 3840x2160@60hz
and this monitor does 10 bit color depth and 1ms latency ---

4k 28" for $450 is pretty respectable, and you can't beat a 1ms lag time! I'll bet text is awful hard to read on a 28" though......?

I returned the Vizio, and picked up a Panasonic 58" AX800 a few days ago, after fighting with it to get it to do 4K@60hz for a month...
I should update the original post. The Panasonic did 4K/60hz right out of the box, no questions asked, and full 4:4:4 color chroma.
The Panny also had a Display Port input... the only TVs that do.

It was a bit more pricey that I was originally hoping for. Even with a USPS 10% off Best Buy Mover's coupon, it still came just below $2k. But, they throw in a free soundbar/subwoofer combo.
Major disappointment in the Viz's refresh rates and chroma support. I was really wanting to complete a 3 monitor setup with those, they're that affordable.

flipper35 · flipper35's Garage

Fractal?

By the way, I have the same wheel and the same flight controllers. Though I am moving the flight stuff to my daughters and replacing it with CH stuff. Gotta love buttons.