Bill Cosby a rapist? .... No way!

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by Crowbob

How much you wanna bet there's allot of famous and not-so-famous people really feeling uncomfortable right about now?

Bill Cosby paid off women says ex-NBC employee - NY Daily News

It just gets worse and worse.

[M.D. Holloway]

He is one of many...who knows what we shall see if we were to turn up the lights on everyone.

[sc_rufctr]

Is "well it was the 80s"and acceptable defence?

[M.D. Holloway]

If it was the 60s yes, 80s meh, nota so much

[DanielDudley]

Originally Posted by M.D. Holloway

Race or species?

Human race.

[DanielDudley]

Originally Posted by M.D. Holloway

He is one of many...who knows what we shall see if we were to turn up the lights on everyone.

In spite of what I may have said to you in the past, I believe that you are a trustworthy individual. But I have been wrong before...

[intakexhaust]

Here's another who might have been frisky. I say 'might' only from years ago hearing first hand about a Miss Teenage Pageant and he was the host or promoter. She claimed that he made her VERY uncomfortable and felt had other motives. Just hearsay but he sure knew how to pick them.

[biosurfer1]

Originally Posted by javadog

The related criminal case didn't make it to court because the prosecutor didn't fell certain he could prove it, although there was no doubt in his mind that he was guilty.

Seems like an oxymoron... knows for sure, without a doubt he was guilty, but can't prove it?

[Crowbob]

Originally Posted by biosurfer1

Seems like an oxymoron... knows for sure, without a doubt he was guilty, but can't prove it?

Not at all. Proof in one's mind is not the same as proof in a jury's mind.

Ask O.J.

[enzo1]

[javadog]

Originally Posted by biosurfer1

Seems like an oxymoron... knows for sure, without a doubt he was guilty, but can't prove it?

Happens every day...

Former Montgomery County District Attorney Bruce Castor:

“What I said was there was insufficient, admissible, and reliable evidence upon which to base a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt. That’s 'prosecutors speak' for 'I think he did it but there's just not enough here to prosecute.'”

He found the witness, Andrea Constand, to be credible. He found Bill Cosby's statements to be less credible. Enough time had passed between the incident and the investigation that obtaining physical evidence was going to be impossible. It was going to be a he said/she said fight and he further thought:

“I mean, I’m not a fool. I recognize that had I arrested Bill Cosby it would’ve been front page news at every newspaper in the world and led every broadcast in the world."

You reckon that potentially losing that case might have made him a wee bit nervous?

Let's see if you can follow the bouncing ball and sing along with me:

The criminal case for Andrea Constand did not go forward.

Andrea Constand then filed a civil case.

Bill Cosby elected to settle it before it went to trial.

When the **** hit the fan recently, John P. Schmitt (Cosby’s lawyer) made several statements that denounced all of the claims that had been made public.

Shortly thereafter, he made another statement, in conjunction with Andrea Constand's lawyer, that "the statement released by Mr. Cosby’s attorney over the weekend was not intended to refer in any way to Andrea Constand."

In other words, Andrea Constand didn't like being called a liar, got in touch with her attorney, who grabbed a handful of John P. Schmitt's nutsack and forced him to clear her name.

So, those of us that can put 2 and 2 together are now reasonably satisfied that he did some bad things to at least one female. You may be on the fence about the rest of them but I'd feel comfortable wagering a chunk of money that she wasn't the only one.

I also think OJ was guilty, because I'm not stupid.

JR

[M.D. Holloway]

Originally Posted by enzo1

when you look at it now there is a creep factor with it....makes ya wonder.

[JJ 911SC]

The other sex scandal...

Originally Posted by JJ 911SC

Not only he drop the $50 Million suit... but has to pay CBC court cost ($18K).

Jian Ghomeshi drops $55-million lawsuit against the CBC | National Post

And he is now been charge by TO police. Unlike the Cosby case, there is no LOS on these crimes in Canada. He is going to meet Bubba

Jian Ghomeshi to plead not guilty to sex assault, choking charges - Canada - CBC News

[speeder]

Quote de javadog

The related criminal case didn't make it to court because the prosecutor didn't fell certain he could prove it, although there was no doubt in his mind that he was guilty.

Seems like an oxymoron... knows for sure, without a doubt he was guilty, but can't prove it?

As javadog said, happens all the time. Usual reason is admissibility of evidence; sometimes the prosecutor knows 100% that someone is guilty but that certainty is based on evidence which is not admissible because it was obtained illegally, etc.

[Don Ro]

Originally Posted by enzo1

This video simply affirms what I've always thought about Cosby...he was/is insufferably boring and narcissistic when he wasn't doing his schtick.
Funny guy when so, however.

[BE911SC]

A prosecutor won't take a case to court even when he/she knows and can prove guilt because juries often cannot be trusted. You don't take a case before a jury unless it is practically air-tight and even then it can be a gamble. I've been at the mercy of a jury and it isn't what you see on Law and Order. On Law and Order episodes the jury looks engaged, seems well-educated and seems to be listening intently, aren't all working class stiffs, and will actually deliberate and come to a fair conclusion. In reality, juries are often made of people not clever enough to get out of jury duty. People on jury duty also bring their own biases and prejudices with them and do not always put them aside. If they don't like you (class warfare, race, sympathy with the accused) there is no amount of evidence, of proof, that will sway them. O.J. Simpson comes to mind, although the prosecution (and judge) left a lot to be desired.

Bottom line is if a prosecutor doesn't bring a fairly solid case before a judge and jury it's because the threat of a biased jury (and possibly inept judge like Ito). Oh, and another fallacy of the Law and Order shows, and similar TV cop and justice shows, is the high level of competence. In a perfect TV show world you get high levels of competence and justice is quickly and efficiently served. In reality you have political expediency, ambitious prosecutors and defenders, intense media pressure, less than competent people, including the judges, and general intellectual and professional laziness, as the O.J. Simpson case clearly demonstrated.

[M.D. Holloway]

We really should be governed by machines...

[bri450sl]

People on jury duty also bring their own biases and prejudices with them and do not always put them aside. If they don't like you (class warfare, race, sympathy with the accused) there is no amount of evidence, of proof, that will sway them.

This is so true although I believe it's my "job" to perform jury duty. I've been the member of the jury 3 times. Each time, I'm floored that we took so long because we/I had to explain to one or several that they cannot make up "what if's" scenarios, etc. they can only base their descion on what was presented in the trial. One time, we spent 3 days on convincing a crazy lady that she cannot make things up. In this case, the rest of us didn't want a hung jury and let the guy off. When it was over, we found out he was in chains/cuffed and had a stun belt on during the whole trial. He had beat up his last lawer in the court room.

[BE911SC]

New Cosby accusers go public as Gloria Allred joins case

Someone early in the discussion called it and now here she is.

"Allred proposed he could agree to place $100 million into a fund and then be judged with his accusers before a panel of retired judges who would arbitrate the merits of each claim and dole out compensation if a claim has merit."

I'll bet Cosby's wife files for divorce the minute his estate actually comes under threat. She'll want out before the money starts going out the door.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by BE911SC

New Cosby accusers go public as Gloria Allred joins case

That settles it. I'm now firmly on Cosby's side. Whichever side Gloria Allred is on, I will always support the other guy.