Don't step on Superman's cape

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Z-man

Taking away their internets is a means of retaliation? Really? So...

1. While heavily regulated, the internet is where North Koreans can get dribbles of non-censored information, and communicate with the outside world. And taking that away helps how?

Communication with the outside world is limited to the elites - Kim's buds.

Originally Posted by Z-man

2. How many of the populace were actually affected by this? 5%?

Maybe less, but it's the important 5% who have been show Kim is not all powerful.

Originally Posted by Z-man

3. This retaliation amounts to no more than throwing sand in someone's face in a sandbox.

It's vandalism, like hacking emails. Tit for tat.

Originally Posted by Z-man

4. No matter what language or what country, the internets are 99% noise, 1% information.

Kim's hero is Dennis Rodman. What are the chances he uses the internet to peruse the noise more than for information?

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

...
Maybe less, but it's the important 5% who have been show Kim is not all powerful.

It's vandalism, like hacking emails. Tit for tat.

....

+1 but in terms of hacking it's the proverbial Internet "beotch slap" much more significant than hacking Sony, et al. Not that difficult either from this techie's perspective from what little I've read about the nature of the outage...for "someone" with the capabilities. Just sent a potent message imo...

[Z-man]

Originally Posted by KC911

Just sent an impotent message imo...

Fix it for ya!

If this was retaliation for what N. Korea did to Sony, it's merely a poke and nothing more. The Sony hack was an expensive one. The fiasco with "The Interpreter" alone will cost Sony millions in lost revenue. They had to pay their actors, and they were expecting to start receiving their returns starting now, during the time of year when people go to the movies. Instead, the movie will probably be leaked on the internets, where Sony will not get a dime for the movie. By the time they actually release it, most folks who wanted to see it will likely have already seen it.

Add to that the PR nightmare surrounding the leaked emails, and potential for identify theft, the cost to evaluate and contain the mess for Sony - that is a huge expense.

How much did it the 'massive outage' in N. Korea cost? So the 5 people who actually have the internets lost the ebay auction for the plush Hello Kitty doll. And they actually had to turn their attention to more important things...

IMHO, the Sony hack was like hitting a building with a bomb, and the N. Korea internet outage was like hitting a wall with a bullet.

Then again, there may be more bullets hitting the wall...

My $0.42,
-Z

[imcarthur]

Originally Posted by Z-man

the Sony hack was like hitting a building with a bomb

But it was directed at a COMPANY. The outage was a COUNTRY. A big difference.

Ian

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by Z-man

...IMHO, the Sony hack was like hitting a building with a bomb, and the N. Korea internet outage was like hitting a wall with a bullet.

Then again, there may be more bullets hitting the wall...

...

We just interpret it a bit differently . I'm with Ian....they threw their "firebomb" (over & done)...we sent a 9 hr. barrage of .22lr fire their way, shut the country's whole Internet service down (and stopped firing) with relative ease. They KNOW we have Internet nukes in reserve too . Sends a powerful message to the elite in NK regarding Kim.

I'm with Ian....BIG difference imo

[widgeon13]

We still have no idea who caused the outage.

Did someone or country take credit............

I haven't seen or heard any good intel on this.

[GH85Carrera]

I am sure it got NKs attention.

I see it much like they somehow grounded everyone in the world with a Jet Pack for a few hours. The vast majority of the population never even noticed.

If next they retaliate by shutting down the power grid in the USA they will really have everyone's attention.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by widgeon13

We still have no idea who caused the outage.

......

Nor will you

But "they" know...

[techweenie]

Originally Posted by widgeon13

We still have no idea who caused the outage.

Did someone or country take credit............

I haven't seen or heard any good intel on this.

Shutting off an entire country isn't a simple hack.

But to the trigger event: the Sony hack happened weeks before any statement came from North Korea. Some security experts say the hack was independently done and then 'sold' to NK. So there's some question about whether the hack was an opportunistic independent operation or state-originated. Prior, South Korean banks were hacked using similar code, and that was believed to be state-originated by NK.

As for 'claiming credit,' well, we never officially claimed credit for Stuxnet.

[widgeon13]

“It’s a little early to say what the explanation is,” said Matthew Prince, chief executive of CloudFlare Inc., a San Francisco security and network company monitoring the outage. Absent the Sony hack, “I would have thought North Korea decided to turn the Internet off for some reason.”

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by widgeon13

“It’s a little early to say what the explanation is,” said Matthew Prince, ...

"It's a little to early to say...." said Kenny Rogers

From what I read earlier, the nature of the attack was conducted upon the infrastructure from one (or more) sources. I'm pretty sure the techies know "what" happened, though Kenny Rogers isn't showing his hand....jmo

[island911]

Originally Posted by widgeon13

We still have no idea who caused the outage.

Did someone or country take credit............

I haven't seen or heard any good intel on this.

We don't even know that North Korea was responsible for hacking into Sony.

First, North Korea denies that they did.

Second, The Evidence That North Korea Hacked Sony Is Flimsy | WIRED

[widgeon13]

There you go.

[gtc]

Has it really come to this? Are we going to war over a Seth Rogen flick?
:/

[island911]

Originally Posted by imcarthur

But it was directed at a COMPANY. The outage was a COUNTRY. A big difference.

Ian

ah . . no.

North Korea can't even keep the lights on with regularity. Their Internet going down is less of a big deal than those in this country who forget to change their smoke alarm batteries.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

Maybe less, but it's the important 5% who have been show Kim is not all powerful.

You really believe they are so cloistered that they are unaware of this fact, really?


I suppose that explains a lot.

[flipper35]

I think the same group did both Sony and North Korea.

[yazhound]

Originally Posted by SteveGTS

If true would reflect a junior hs mentality. How many computers you think it affected? Gullible anybody? The idea that they took down Sony is suspect also, since they do not teach IT in NK. Not saying they didn't contract it out.

Not so. N. Korea has a team of computer folks who do nothing but hack and practice at hacking. While the entire populace may not be thus schooled, the powers that be are smart enough to understand the importance of being able to use computer technology. Especially as paranoid as they are.....

[yazhound]

Originally Posted by KC911

"It's a little to early to say...." said Kenny Rogers

From what I read earlier, the nature of the attack was conducted upon the infrastructure from one (or more) sources. I'm pretty sure the techies know "what" happened, though Kenny Rogers isn't showing his hand....jmo

ugh... not Kenny Rogers.... was just not good the first time around....

[widebody911]