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cabmandone 02-02-2015 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Baz (Post 8466947)
About that play...another perspective.....

If you run the ball on 2nd down and DO NOT GET IT, you must use the last timeout.

In this scenario, you cannot risk running the ball on 3rd down because, if you don't get it, you won't see 4th down


The alternate scenario Carroll chose has a much higher expected value.

In this scenario, you throw into the end zone on 2nd. Result should be touchdown or incompletion. If an incompletion....you can still run on 3rd. Call timeout, and run again on 4th.

Scenario 2 guarantees threes cracks at the end zone (2 of which are running plays) given you don't turn the ball over. Scenario 1 runs the risk of only getting two plays off AND the defense can surmise the 3rd down play is definitely a pass.

Obviously you can argue a run play secures the ball better and/or having Lynch improves the odds of getting in but there are other ways of looking at it.
You've got one of the best backs in the league today on your team. You run the ball down their throats and make them like it. The Seahawks screwed the pooch.

At a minimum you play action fake to Lynch with Lynch faking the dive and then try the pass. Terrible, terrible call.

Lapkritis 02-02-2015 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 8466958)
No, not all time.
I didn't have a dog in the fight so I was really enjoying a good game. But I know this, if the Seahawks run the ball like they should have in that position, you're not nearly as happy today.
..and that's why they play the whole game.

Rewind it 1 play and that bobble lucky grab after the defender broke the play up would have changed the entire situation.

Either way - cue the duck boats. :cool:

cabmandone 02-02-2015 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Lapkritis (Post 8466971)
..and that's why they play the whole game.

Rewind it 1 play and that bobble lucky grab after the defender broke the play up would have changed the entire situation.

Either way - cue the duck boats. :cool:
Oh no doubt without that lucky catch we're not talking about running Lynch but you have to admit, you thought it was over with a back like Lynch at that field position. Be honest.
Either way it's probably the most I enjoyed a Super Bowl that didn't involve the Steelers in quite a while.

cabmandone 02-02-2015 06:46 AM
Something funny to me is that the importance of that off sides call at the end didn't strike me until I read something about it here this morning. I didn't realize if Brady took a knee it was a safety. Wow! terrible time for an off sides penalty.

Lapkritis 02-02-2015 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 8466974)
Oh no doubt without that lucky catch we're not talking about running Lynch but you have to admit, you thought it was over with a back like Lynch at that field position. Be honest.
Either way it's probably the most I enjoyed a Super Bowl that didn't involve the Steelers in quite a while.
I was watching with by brother who was "all is lost" animating. My words to him before the interception play were "well they still have to punch it in"... Lesson learned - fight until you don't have any fight left. Don't give up. Can't be any more impressed with Bill B. and his composure at the end. I admit I was calling for letting them in after that long completion so Brady would at least have a chance to drive them to field goal range in 30 seconds. This is exactly why (among other reasons) that I'm not the coach.

Great game to watch other than all the gesticulating/antics after virtually every play especially the Seattle side. I wish the camera wouldn't feed those dorks.

Baz 02-02-2015 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 8466964)
You've got one of the best backs in the league today on your team. You run the ball down their throats and make them like it. The Seahawks screwed the pooch.

At a minimum you play action fake to Lynch with Lynch faking the dive and then try the pass. Terrible, terrible call.

I was merely pointing out another perspective on why they threw it instead of running it.

Even with Lynch, NE has a pretty stout goal line defense so there's no guarantee he would have gotten in.

cabmandone 02-02-2015 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Baz (Post 8466988)
I was merely pointing out another perspective on why they threw it instead of running it.

Even with Lynch, NE has a pretty stout goal line defense so there's no guarantee he would have gotten in.
NE does have a good goal line D but in 4 down territory with less than 2 yds to go, you test them and then test them again. I don't believe for a second they keep Lynch out of the end zone. It's just asking too much of a D to stop that guy when he can taste the goal line from there.

cabmandone 02-02-2015 07:02 AM
From Pete Carroll
""I told those guys, 'That's my fault, totally,' " Carroll said on NBC's postgame show. "But we had plenty of time to win the game ... we were playing for third and fourth down, give them no time left ... but didn't work out that way."

Umm... then why did you pass the ball???

Lapkritis 02-02-2015 07:07 AM
Credit and respect to Pete Carroll for his handling of the interviews after the game. It must have been heart breaking but he answered professionally and laid his heard out there. He did what they tell you a great leader should do - share the praise when you win and accept responsibility wholly when you don't. He made a great example of what a sportsman/leader should do.

On the other hand, his OC (Bevell) is taking credit for making the play call and has passed blame to the receiver on the field for not trying harder to stay on the route or break the play up. I expect that OC will possibly be looking for a new job after not keeping his mouth shut.

Baz 02-02-2015 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 8466991)
NE does have a good goal line D but in 4 down territory with less than 2 yds to go, you test them and then test them again. I don't believe for a second they keep Lynch out of the end zone. It's just asking too much of a D to stop that guy when he can taste the goal line from there.
I hear you and agree.

But they would have had to use their only timeout had Lynch not made it in on 2nd down.

Then they wouldn't have enough time to run another run play and fail.

They chose to run the pass play first....and then have TWO more plays to run it in if needed.

Like I said - they were thinking overall strategy.

I also believe if Wilson had done his job better.....they would have won the game.

Macroni 02-02-2015 07:25 AM
all I can say is wow.... worst halftime and worst play call..... all in all a great game and frankly Brady did what he was supposed to do.....

Baz 02-02-2015 07:41 AM
About the halftime show - I've seen a lot worse than that and at least it was kid friendly. I thought Perry did a great job performance-wise although that's not my taste in music at all.

Was glad Lenny showed up but didn't care for the rapper lady at all.

recycled sixtie 02-02-2015 07:44 AM
I am not usually a football fan but this game was tremendous. The whole nine yards including the half time entertainment. Well done!
Guy

stomachmonkey 02-02-2015 07:48 AM
If I were the Pats I would have been a bit grumpy about all the blue surrounding the field.

That first Brady pick, Lynch seemed to come out of no where.

I don't think Brady ever saw him, he just seemed to blend into the back drop.

DaveE 02-02-2015 08:11 AM
The pass call doesn't bothering me so much. The Pats had stopped Lynch on a 3rd and short earlier in the quarter. At least I think it was Lynch. The Lynch run would be the most predictable play there so why not pass? It wasn't a good pass though. You don't lead the receiver so much and throw the ball high when the DB is right there. Staring at you. He could have thrown it away, over everyone's head seeing the play wasn't open. But those slants are thrown in the end zone all the time and usually effective.

cabmandone 02-02-2015 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by DaveE (Post 8467102)
The pass call doesn't bothering me so much. The Pats had stopped Lynch on a 3rd and short earlier in the quarter. At least I think it was Lynch. The Lynch run would be the most predictable play there so why not pass? It wasn't a good pass though. You don't lead the receiver so much and throw the ball high when the DB is right there. Staring at you. He could have thrown it away, over everyone's head seeing the play wasn't open. But those slants are thrown in the end zone all the time and usually effective.
It was 2nd and less than a yard, Lynch had just picked up about 3 or 4 on first down, 1 timeout remaining, You pound Lynch up the middle twice from less than a yard and 9 times out of ten I think he gets in. I could be wrong but he's a power back built for that type of run. I'd have ran him twice. But hey! I'm not an NFL OC and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night so I do have those two things going against me.

intakexhaust 02-02-2015 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Baz (Post 8467052)
About the halftime show - I've seen a lot worse than that and at least it was kid friendly. I thought Perry did a great job performance-wise although that's not my taste in music at all.

Was glad Lenny showed up but didn't care for the rapper lady at all.
No mo' TNA shows. Who is Missy? Whoever she is, with that wardrobe, you'd think it was snowing in Phoenix.

......... back on topic to armchair QB

Baz 02-02-2015 10:23 AM
What was the play just before the first half ended to score a TD?

Wilson threw a pass to Chris Matthews.

Maybe that interception by Butler was a great play by NE - rather than a bad play by Seattle.

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Most between 20-40 probably know her. I'm a metal/hard rock guy, but I knew who it was as soon as the song started, before I saw her.

Lapkritis 02-02-2015 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Baz (Post 8467349)
What was the play just before the first half ended to score a TD?

Wilson threw a pass to Chris Matthews.

Maybe that interception by Butler was a great play by NE - rather than a bad play by Seattle.
True. Here the play works and it's heralded as "a gutsy call." No second guessing it in that situation...


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