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Dantilla 03-10-2015 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Aragorn (Post 8523869)
Wouldn't it just be cheaper to just take down current mileage at the vehicles annual safety inspection (if the state has one) for taxing purposes?

What about when the car is driven out-of-state?

Plenty of people in the Portlandia area who cross back and forth between Oregon and Washington continuously. I'd hate to pay Oregon tax and pay Washington's much higher gas taxes simultaneously.

motion 03-10-2015 05:23 PM

Stuff like this is why the Uber model will soon rule the world. At a certain point, people will have had enough legislation and just give up on buying $50K or $100K cars, or whatever they'll cost in 10 years.

I was at a Mercury dealer today getting my F150 serviced. A little crappy looking MKZ four door sedan goes for $55K. You gotta be kidding me. They've already lost me as a customer.

MRM 03-10-2015 06:00 PM

Who cares? Paul is back!

Stay a while Paul. We (any reasonable PPOT members, anyway) missed you.

I do suspect that Motion is correct. Millennials have already shown a marked decrease in driving licenses and car ownership. It's not a big leap to realize that if owning a car costs 55 cents a mile with a big up front capital outlay that buying transportation at 60 cents a mile with no capital outlay isn't a bad deal. I wouldn't be surprised if in a generation car owership is a luxury reserved for collectors cars.

Dantilla 03-10-2015 06:04 PM

Gas tax makes the most sense for road maintenance.

A small, light car that gets good mileage causes very little damage to roads, and pays little in taxes.
A large truck causes more road damage, and pays more in taxes due to more fuel burned.

A trailer? The tow vehicle is going to use more gas than when empty, thus paying for the damage caused by the trailer.

A per mile tax does not distinguish the difference in vehicle size and appropriate tax levels.

pwd72s 03-10-2015 06:27 PM

FWIW, which is probably not much
 
Dear Rep. Sprenger,

Satellite tracking to collect a road use tax is Orwellian to me. Not only that, I see a potential unintended consequence that is frightening. I’m sure all people with access to the info provided would never use it to do something bad, right? Something like track an ex wife or girlfriend, a celebrity, or a political figure, with intent to do harm? How can this information on a person’s driving habits be kept private? I don’t think it can.

If it’s more revenue they want, and I suspect it is, fine. This can be done by other methods. Make owners of hybrid or all electric cars “pay their fair share” with increased license fees.

But this program? Well, I guess Orwell was indeed an optimist.

Oregon to try U.S.'s first mileage-based road tax

Sincerely,

island911 03-10-2015 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mrm (Post 8524647)
who cares? Paul is back!

Stay a while paul. We (any reasonable ppot members, anyway) missed you.
..

+1

red-beard 03-10-2015 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by motion (Post 8524585)
Stuff like this is why the Uber model will soon rule the world. At a certain point, people will have had enough legislation and just give up on buying $50K or $100K cars, or whatever they'll cost in 10 years.

I was at a Mercury dealer today getting my F150 serviced. A little crappy looking MKZ four door sedan goes for $55K. You gotta be kidding me. They've already lost me as a customer.

When I was last in Singapore ~2001, they have a maximum number of cars. To own a car you have to acquire a license, which means buy someone's POS and scrap it. The going rate was upwards of $100K.

Soooo glad to live in Texas. If only we could get rid of the "temporary" business franchise tax...

Heel n Toe 03-11-2015 05:17 AM

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