Border Patrol Agents Tase an Unarmed Woman (with a big mouth) ;)

[Baz]

Originally Posted by harddrive

get your head out of your ass. That woman should be billed for cleaning the officers uniforms.

lol...

[HardDrive]

If you have a concern about your civil rights being violated, arguing with the police officer at the side of the road is just about the most inane, juvenile way of dealing with the situation.

The police officers are PEOPLE. Human beings. Tell them you disagree. Gather information. But the fact is their jobs are VERY dangerous, and the act of not complying with simple directions about where to stand (they were at the side of a public highway) puts everyone at risk.

I'm as libertarian as the come, but somewhere along the lines, some people seem to confuse being a rude moron with standing up for your rights.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

If you have a concern about your civil rights being violated, arguing with the police officer at the side of the road is just about the most inane, juvenile way of dealing with the situation.

The police officers are PEOPLE. Human beings. Tell them you disagree. Gather information. But the fact is their jobs are VERY dangerous, and the act of not complying with simple directions about where to stand (they were at the side of a public highway) puts everyone at risk.

I'm as libertarian as the come, but somewhere along the lines, some people seem to confuse being a rude moron with standing up for your rights.

Well said.

[nota]

nobody else is bothered there was no BORDER TO PATROL ?

I understand at a real border these guys are kings of power
but why do they get to set up miles from a border and act that way ?

[Shaun @ Tru6]

I'm of the opinion that the supervisor is a good candidate for a rifle butt to the forehead.

This scenario emboldens poor quality authority figures, of which he is a member.

It's a basic slippery slope. Today he's forcibly moving people that don't need to be moved.

Tomorrow, who knows what will happen to the next person who mouths off to him.

We have enough bad authority figures, encouraging them does no one any good.

[wayner]

Originally Posted by speeder

What she did was to question why she was being detained and it was a reasonable question. If this is his threshold for being "poked with a stick", (or if he has the brains and personality of a bear), he is not qualified for his job. The truth of the matter is that the BP is experiencing staffing issues and has to take what they can get in terms of applicants these days. Not exactly a shining example of LE in America.

Yes she poked a bear with a stick. That started to become obvious.

If that was her intention, then I congratulate her for testing the laws as a citizen (something I am not able to do in your country)

If that wasn't her intention then she should have recognized how the situation was escalating.

As I said earlier though, neither of her intentions forgives the agent for his actions. That TMZ video posted above is a great example of the cop not being emotionally immature like the border agent was. The agent should have been trained to take a deep breath or walk away and leave her in the handset the female agent if he needed to cool down

[Rick V]

You can not be held for longer then 30 mins without being charged with something, it is called false arrest. A warrant is required in order to move anything in a vehicle. If that woman had just shut her pie hole, and let the BP break these laws she would have a leg to stand on, he mouth blew any chance of a leg to stand on.

[Don Ro]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

Tomorrow, who knows what will happen to the next person who mouths off to him.

Perhaps he'll tie their shoe laces together, eh?
Mo betta, yes?

[black_falcon]

Baffling how people can blame the victim and justify this abuse. "Blah blah the police have a tough job, so they can act with impunity". Gimme a f'n break.

Agree with Denis +100

[Shaun @ Tru6]

This one of the rare times when folks here on OT excuse someone for being bad at their job.

The supervisor is bad at his job.

It's that simple.

[Tobra]

Pretty much, he should be piloting a desk if he can't be fired

Originally Posted by Baz

The US Supreme Court ruled last month that police officers cannot extend traffic stops while they wait for drug-sniffing dogs to arrive.

So it turns out crazy taze me lady was right, go figure Too stupid to take decent video, I hate the sideways camera fail.

Originally Posted by Baz

Since her puppy was in the vehicle all alone and probably scared, that alone is enough reason for her to do it. You don't abandon your 4-legged children just to prove a point.

That's just irresponsible.

Just so, not a sympathetic character. She will be charged with assaulting a federal officer, among other things, unless they make a deal so she goes away.

[cashflyer]

Originally Posted by Rick V

YIf that woman had just shut her pie hole, and let the BP break these laws she would have a leg to stand on, her mouth blew any chance of a leg to stand on.

I disagree. She has a right to know why she is being detained, which they failed to ever articulate. She should have demanded to speak to a supervisor as soon as they refused to answer her question.

Tazing her was out of line. I know the network will keep him from facing any charges, or even being dismissed. Hopefully she gets a good civil rights attorney and makes bank of the incident.

[widgeon13]

BP/ Customs or ICE are federal officers and as much as you might like to push their buttons it's not worth the trouble. File a lawsuit and you are suing the Federal Government, good luck with that.

As for getting tasered, it shouldn't have happened but if she had kept her mouth shut she'd have been much better off.

[rusnak]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

Depends. More than 100 miles from a border and they'd really need PC to get a warrant to get into the trunk. At the border? Questionable. I'm sure they could make the sniffer dog alert if they wanted to, which would constitute PC for a warrant. The recent SCOTUS decision doesn't take effect immediately; they gave police time to write up agency guidelines and train the cops. I doubt that ruling applies to the Border Patrol anyway. That woman was right to ask for the reason of her detention and record it all. But she should have just moved to where the agent told her to move. That was probably a lawful command. They don't have to wait for a physical threat to tase someone. I think physical resistance trips that wire, and, by her refusing to move to wher he (probably lawfully) told her to move, that was physical resistance. Her then wrestling with him guaranteed a tasing. I don't think she'll sue.

Rick, I think you pretty well summed it up. She may want to sue, but no attorney will take her case. No way.

[Por_sha911]

Border Patrol + nervous acting person = probably cause for drugs, human trafficking, or weapons.
The above plus threatening to leave = most certainly probable cause.
The above plus becoming confrontational (as stated earlier a tactic when caught in an illegal activity) at the border = necessity to detain and de-escalate before she starts inciting unrest among other people.

Solution: Go to 1:45

[Geary]

I believe she was hoping for the officers to overstep from the moment she began recording. The "extra" screaming and continued description of how she was being mistreated will bolster her case. You, me, and all the rest of the taxpayers will end up paying for her retirement (and her attorney).

I agree with wayner .. male cop should have walked away and left it in the hands of the female cop. Instead, he allowed the shrill shrew to push his buttons ..

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by afterburn 549

There was NO reason to Tase her.
Big bad cop is a whooos .
It was about control .
Control freaks will be cops. Not all cops are control freeks.
These BP agents are out of control .
simple

Absolutely, the BP needs to be more like the police in Baltimore. Step back and let the person do whatever the h3ll they want. It doesn't matter if the woman incites a riot. She has the right to leave whenever she wants even if she is suspected of illegal activity. She has the right to stand anywhere she wants even if it means possibly fleeing the area or interfering with official BP business.

[cashflyer]

Originally Posted by widgeon13

BP/ Customs or ICE are federal officers and as much as you might like to push their buttons it's not worth the trouble. File a lawsuit and you are suing the Federal Government, good luck with that.

I don't think qualified immunity will shield him. Tazing her will be seen as pretty egregious by most orpps.

If she was non-compliant with a lawful order, then he could have very simply placed her in handcuffs. There was no call for tazing her.

[Jeff Higgins]

I agree with Everything Denis and Moses have said about this.

The woman started out very, very calm, asking what any citizen has the right to ask and, by law, the officers are obligated to answer - or if they will not or cannot, to let her go.

She has every right to ask, first, whether or not she is being detained. In the absence of an affirmative answer, she is free to leave - in her car, as she arrived. None of this b.s. that she can walk away, but her car has to stay.

If answered in the affirmative, she then has every right to ask for their "RAS" -reasonably articulated suspicion. If they are unable to provide that, she is again free to leave and, again, in her car. "You look nervous" does not qualify - they must reasonably articulate what they suspect her of doing or having done.

She legally does not have to wait more than about ten to fifteen minutes for their dog to arrive. Courts have ruled on this time and time again - they get a "reasonable" amount of time to detain you without arresting you and leveling specific charges.

Granted, the woman could have simply moved when asked. She was, however, a good 20 feet off the road and posed no danger to herself or anyone else. Pure battle of egos at this point, but the woman was still in the right.

I cannot believe some of you are standing behind this border patrol agent. He violated a good number of her civil rights, with no justification of any kind for holding her. His conduct was not only unprofessional, it was illegal. He needs to be held accountable.

[mikesride]

Her belligerent *****ing turning into screaming cry's made me laugh...
I withhold judgement on either party. But I was entertained somewhat!