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wdfifteen 08-24-2015 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by techweenie (Post 8764167)
Apparently Duggar paid the premium for "a guaranteed affair." Boy howdy.

Huh. When I worked in a sporting goods store we used to offer guaranteed fishing licenses for an extra $5. Never sold a one. I guess our dumb farmers where smarter than Duggar.

VincentVega 08-24-2015 09:04 PM

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Well we looked at his logs (we log everything) and I'm not sure I want to continue this conversation with him in the morning. In fact if he presses my guys I'll probably have to take what we have to his HR rep.

I hope he decides to let sleeping dogs lie.
Good stuff. Some folks have no idea how the most basic IT security/networking actually works. I'm sure it wasnt him, someone gained control of his machine. Yeah, they beat all of your security, left no trace, authenticated correctly and he didnt know anything was going on. Yeah, thats it.

Bill Douglas 08-24-2015 10:51 PM

33M accounts (source BBC). Who would have thought :rolleyes:

sc_rufctr 08-24-2015 11:43 PM

Two people have "necked" themselves over this. :(

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34044506

reachme 08-25-2015 09:51 AM

Scott R you may be missing the point.
The guy is getting squeezed and looking for a way out.
More likely he will point the finger to your team. The ones with his account information, with the logs to incriminate him, the people holding all the keys. He will double down and create reasonable doubt that someone used him as a scapegoat.

You need to make sure you can prove a member of your team could not possibly use his account or modify the logs because you have a big target on your head. Much harder than him creating doubt that you did.

Scott R 08-25-2015 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by reachme (Post 8766862)
Scott R you may be missing the point.
The guy is getting squeezed and looking for a way out.
More likely he will point the finger to your team. The ones with his account information, with the logs to incriminate him, the people holding all the keys. He will double down and create reasonable doubt that someone used him as a scapegoat.

You need to make sure you can prove a member of your team could not possibly use his account or modify the logs because you have a big target on your head. Much harder than him creating doubt that you did.

He can't escape Proofpoint, we turned over everything this morning to HR and legal as I don't want to deal with him any longer. Let's just say what we found is beyond any reasonable doubt.

He wanted us to prove his innocence, but I don't think he had any idea as to the level of monitoring we bound to by the Fed.

M.D. Holloway 08-25-2015 01:07 PM

I would be very interesting if all your web history was suddenly made public. You could deny it, admit it or ignore it. There are no secrets any more...

widebody911 08-25-2015 01:30 PM

https://i.imgur.com/vsExngC.jpg

aigel 08-25-2015 01:47 PM

This is going to be huge. Users better hope there isn't going to be an easily searchable database coming out.

I heard on BBC news that Saudi Arabia had 1200 addresses on the service. A country where infidelity is punishable with death.

More on the impact:

Human cost of Ashley Madison hack is astronomical - Business Insider

So, how many of you have checked your spouses address(es)?

G

john70t 08-25-2015 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by VincentVega (Post 8766334)
Good stuff. Some folks have no idea how the most basic IT security/networking actually works. I'm sure it wasnt him, someone gained control of his machine. Yeah, they beat all of your security, left no trace, authenticated correctly and he didnt know anything was going on. Yeah, thats it.

Ever hear of Stuxnet? That was the old version and I'm sure it's on the black market for a price.
Anything made by mankind can be unmade, given the desire.

I don't feel any sympathy for someone using their freaking work computer to do business with a company centered around extramarital sex affairs, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_address_spoofing happens.

There is also this self-destructing email. Now YOU decide what they can do with your mail!.

I may have experienced that from another scumbag owner who wrote that he'd use the condo association general funds to personally sue me into oblivion for libel/slander. This was after I pointed out the records indicated his personal company had not paid dues for years and years and there was another $25K+ in direct personal "self-payments" with no explanation.
Grand larceny at the felonious level was indicated.
The second time I opened the email to print it there was "an error" and it vanished like magic.

wdfifteen 08-25-2015 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by M.D. Holloway (Post 8767172)
I would be very interesting if all your web history was suddenly made public. You could deny it, admit it or ignore it. There are no secrets any more...

I would deny it. I don't know any of you arseholes. Musta been the kid detailing my cars got into Pelican somehow ...

Scott R 08-25-2015 07:29 PM

There is a nearly untapped market for cleansing internet reputations. A few claim they can, but really can't. So if you could find some way, the cash would just roll right in.

GWN7 08-25-2015 07:41 PM

If you play you pay.......

Several years ago when this internet thing was just beginning a global company that has plants around the world sent out a memo stating any employee using a company computer for any illegal or immoral (porn) purposes would be fired. Then they waited a couple months and a big shot from headquarters showed up. He had two huge security guards with him. They walked up to a employee at each plant and said in a loud voice "you are fired for viewing porn on a company computer." Handed him a cardboard box to pack is personal stuff in and walked him off the property.

They supposedly did this at each plant around the globe. The message was clear and heard well.

widebody911 08-26-2015 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by aigel (Post 8767215)
Users better hope there isn't going to be an easily searchable database coming out.

Gimme a linux box with MySQL and a good internet connection and I could knock that out in about 3 hours.

reverie 08-26-2015 06:12 AM

I think the modern "personals" websites make it easy to cheat. :(

On an unrelated note, businesses such as Cherry Blossoms have been around for years. By now, there are probably websites for people looking for people from all over the world. But what the world really needs is more forums like PPOT. Yeah, that's the ticket...

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stomachmonkey 08-26-2015 10:01 AM

This Duggar guy is an endless fountain of hypocrisy.

Of course the following is only "alleged".

Porn star claims Josh Duggar paid her for sex while wife was pregnant

gtc 08-26-2015 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 8762036)
You guys realize that these "tools" to check the database could very likely be nothing more than honey pots to collect email addresses for spammers?

You'd think the database with millions of addresses would occupy them for a while...

fintstone 08-26-2015 10:22 AM

I am not sure I understand. Reportedly, AM never verified email addresses, etc. It seems like anyone could sign you up. Does this released info also containing credit card records, etc.?

I had a friend who lost his gov't civilian job with the AF for looking at porn on his computer (2nd offense...was punished the first time but didn't learn). They were monitoring every site he visited after the first time.

stomachmonkey 08-26-2015 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by gtc (Post 8768299)
You'd think the database with millions of addresses would occupy them for a while...

If they have the database.

Most likely anyone in that business has access to it.

But FWIW you can tell someone way more than you want them to know about you simply by visiting their page.

dtw 08-26-2015 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by widebody911 (Post 8767927)
Gimme a linux box with MySQL and a good internet connection and I could knock that out in about 3 hours.

Hopefully this will be out there soon. I'd like to do a search like *@mycompanydomain.com and see the results.

Heard on the radio this morning that there are only three zip codes in the US that don't have AM members.

Scott R 08-26-2015 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 8768304)
I am not sure I understand. Reportedly, AM never verified email addresses, etc. It seems like anyone could sign you up. Does this released info also containing credit card records, etc.?

I had a friend who lost his gov't civilian job with the AF for looking at porn on his computer (2nd offense...was punished the first time but didn't learn). They were monitoring every site he visited after the first time.

Yes, credit card numbers, IP's, plenty of unique identifiers.

stealthn 08-26-2015 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott R (Post 8766907)
He can't escape Proofpoint, we turned over everything this morning to HR and legal as I don't want to deal with him any longer. Let's just say what we found is beyond any reasonable doubt.

He wanted us to prove his innocence, but I don't think he had any idea as to the level of monitoring we bound to by the Fed.

Funny, back in the day my boss was away and I had to have the talk with HR about a guy using his camera at work for a little "show" with a lady over the internet. Let's just say I was a little embarrassed as she needed details of exactly what he was doing.

People really have no idea, even when forewarned that everything can be captured and recorded. I find a lot of women going to Adult Friend finder too....all were married.

fintstone 08-26-2015 03:00 PM

Are they publishing the unique identifiers like credit card info? Seem like that sure opens a lot of folks up for identity fraud.

I cannot get a facebook account because someone signed up and gave my email. I can't log in to close or change it, cannot open an account myself because that one already exists and facebook can't help because it is "not my account". I constantly get emails from facebook that people have tried to contact me (some I know and some I do not). It is quite annoying. I just wondered if that could happen here?

stomachmonkey 08-26-2015 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 8768683)
Are they publishing the unique identifiers like credit card info? Seem like that sure opens a lot of folks up for identity fraud.

I cannot get a facebook account because someone signed up and gave my email. I can't log in to close or change it, cannot open an account myself because that one already exists and facebook can't help because it is "not my account". I constantly get emails from facebook that people have tried to contact me (some I know and some I do not). It is quite annoying. I just wondered if that could happen here?

If they gave your email simply go to facebook.com, upper right under login hit "Forgot Your Password?" link, enter your email address and wait for the confirmation email to come in then change it.

They are publishing the last 4 of the card which if their CC processing is complaint is all they have access to.

Neilk 08-26-2015 03:15 PM

Interesting article (link) in Gizmodo where someone did an analysis of the accounts and came to the conclusion that there virtually no real women with accounts.

I wonder if there was a fault with analysis or if it is really true.

rattlsnak 08-26-2015 03:26 PM

^^ complete BS..

fintstone 08-26-2015 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 8768691)
If they gave your email simply go to facebook.com, upper right under login hit "Forgot Your Password?" link, enter your email address and wait for the confirmation email to come in then change it....

It does not work that way.

porsche4life 08-26-2015 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rattlsnak (Post 8768726)
^^ complete BS..

From your comments I take it you've had an account? Is your email on the list?

stomachmonkey 08-26-2015 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 8768743)
It does not work that way.

Uhm, yeah it does.

I just did exactly that.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1440629659.jpg

gtc 08-26-2015 04:10 PM

Edit, nevermind, I missed fintstone's original post.

Ok, I'm slow... please explain this to me.
If someone signed up for AM with your email address, wouldn't you immediately receive the confirmation email and realize that something fishy was going on?
I suppose that, conceivably, someone could sign up with their own email address, then change their contact email to yours... depending on how their notifications worked.

widebody911 08-26-2015 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Neilk (Post 8768707)
Interesting article (link) in Gizmodo where someone did an analysis of the accounts and came to the conclusion that there virtually no real women with accounts.

I wonder if there was a fault with analysis or if it is really true.

Sounds like this was the honeypot to end all honeypots.

fintstone 08-26-2015 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 8768773)
Uhm, yeah it does.

I just did exactly that.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1440629659.jpg

Did you change your password?

stomachmonkey 08-26-2015 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gtc (Post 8768791)
Ok, I'm slow... please explain this to me.
If someone signed up for AM with your email address, wouldn't you immediately receive the confirmation email and realize that something fishy was going on?
I suppose that, conceivably, someone could sign up with their own email address, then change their contact email to yours... depending on how their notifications worked.

That's assuming a notification email was a part of their process which, considering the service, would be something their customers really would not want so I could see them specifically and intentionally NOT sending them.

rattlsnak 08-26-2015 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by porsche4life (Post 8768766)
From your comments I take it you've had an account? Is your email on the list?

Where is the list?

stomachmonkey 08-26-2015 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 8768809)
Did you change your password?

Yes, went through the entire process.

I used one of the accounts I keep for tying into clients accounts.

I've actually changed that one the same way 3 times now.

gtc 08-26-2015 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Neilk (Post 8768707)
Interesting article (link) in Gizmodo where someone did an analysis of the accounts and came to the conclusion that there virtually no real women with accounts.

I wonder if there was a fault with analysis or if it is really true.

I'm not terribly surprised. After that map was posted (here), I poked around Washington state, and noticed that Inchelium has exactly 48% male users (other cites percentages go to four decimal places)

That means that this place with about 250 people ages 18-64 has at least 24 male and 26 female users... so 1 in 4 or 5 women there is on AM? I kind of doubt it.

fintstone 08-26-2015 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 8768822)
Yes, went through the entire process.

I used one of the accounts I keep for tying into clients accounts.

I've actually changed that one the same way 3 times now.

The next step always asks me questions that I don't have the answers for. Does it not ask you for your birthday or phone number?

stomachmonkey 08-26-2015 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 8768875)
The next step always asks me questions that I don't have the answers for. Does it not ask you for your birthday or phone number?

They set up additional security checks.

They really wanted to keep you out.

Sorry about that.

fintstone 08-26-2015 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 8768915)
They set up additional security checks.

They really wanted to keep you out.

Sorry about that.

I assume it does not see a cookie it recognizes since I did not set up the account.

Just as well. I am too old for social media.

72doug2,2S 08-26-2015 05:53 PM

I often wonder who has time to have an affair?


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