NFL Draft; Who would you have taken??

[URY914]

OK so you have the #1 pick:

1. Do you take the immature kid that has off the field baggage and will certainly acquire more, but has "potential"?

2. The clean cut gentleman that actually has some better numbers and you won't worry about what he does off the field?

The Bucs has a terrible track record with selecting QB's and #1 picks. The local paper's websites are full of negative comments every time they run a story about Winston. He signed his contract this morning so they've known for some time that they were taking him. Both of these guys will start right away.

BTW, the local Tampa Police Chief just retired. Some say so she can avoid having to face the press when the dept. arrests the #1 pick. Of course with Tampa being ground zero for full nude strip clubs, I'm sure Winston will behave himself with his $23 million contract.

[Baz]

[scottmandue]

[VincentVega]

I hope #2 makes it, seems like a great kid. Time will tell, it's hard to beat the system qb rap.

[McLovin]

It's weird, NFL teams NEVER learn their lesson with immature, troubled QB's with off the field issues.

Johnny Football, JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, etc.

The QB is a leadership position. If you don't have that, you can't compete as an NFL QB.

At best, Winston be a serviceable QB that can stick around for a few years. I think at BEST he can be a Cam Newton. But probably not even that. I think he'll be a bust.

Mariota, on the other hand, I think was a good pick. He's a solid character and has a lot of NFL QB attributes. He's not an Andrew Luck right out of the box, but I think he has the potential to get there, with very limited downside.

[McLovin]

Told ya so!

Jamarcus Winston, lol.

He'll be a bust.

[URY914]

Looks like the Bucs want that first pick again.

[jyl]

Wow, wish I'd been able to watch that game.

I might have to subscribe to NFL Game Day.

[pavulon]

If (when?) Winston flops, his life will likely get very bleak really quick.

[Baz]

https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/BA72D598691254945781090754560_458ee44116a.0.2.1825 1773771469467052.mp4?versionId=D.2nU9h7xSpCcEHE7CU G5jqqFLVrOkFX

[VincentVega]

Looks like the Bucs want that first pick again.

I'm far from a fan of his but 1 game is enough to call him a bust or regret the pick? Give it a few months until we relegate him to the checkout line at Safeway.

[sammyg2]

Vontae Mack no matter what.

Bo Callahan is a poser.

[URY914]

Originally Posted by VincentVega

I'm far from a fan of his but 1 game is enough to call him a bust or regret the pick? Give it a few months until we relegate him to the checkout line at Safeway.

You should read the reader responses on TBO.com which is the Tampa Tribunes' website. Just brutal.....and funny.

[VincentVega]

Just brutal.....and funny.

and deserved I bet

Sometimes the comments are the best part of a story anymore.

[jyl]

Originally Posted by Baz

https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/BA72D598691254945781090754560_458ee44116a.0.2.1825 1773771469467052.mp4?versionId=D.2nU9h7xSpCcEHE7CU G5jqqFLVrOkFX

I get denied access

[winders]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

Vontae Mack no matter what.

Bo Callahan is a poser.

Great movie....completely unrealistic.

[jyl]

Originally Posted by pavulon

If (when?) Winston flops, his life will likely get very bleak really quick.

Seems Winston had a not unusual rookie outing. Not great, not terrible. Feels way too early to pass judgment.

Bet the Eagles are wishing they'd put even more chips on the table (ha ha) to make the trade.

[pavulon]

Sure. Not wishing bad for the guy. I honestly feel sympathy for people who have some talent but get chewed up and spit out by multibillion dollar entertainment machines like the NFL. It's a long way from a team golden boy to work-a-day Joe having to explain the fall to every Tom, Dick and Harry also working at a Publix in Florida. As always, time will tell.

Originally Posted by jyl

Seems Winston had a not unusual rookie outing. Not great, not terrible. Feels way too early to pass judgment.

Bet the Eagles are wishing they'd put even more chips on the table (ha ha) to make the trade.

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by VincentVega

I'm far from a fan of his but 1 game is enough to call him a bust or regret the pick? Give it a few months until we relegate him to the checkout line at Safeway.

It didn't even take 1 game to know he would be a bust, that was obvious on draft day.

It's a very demanding position. He's just not up to it, just like Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, etc.

I feel pretty safe in saying that no one with a rap sheet like his will EVER be a successful NFL QB. By definition, they have proven themselves to lack the sense and intelligence required of the position. It's almost like he has a mental issue, or at best a serious inability to learn much.

But NFL teams on draft day never seem to learn . . .




Nov. 25, 2012: A woman calls 911 to report that there are two men on a bike path on the Florida State University campus with what appears to be a black, long-barreled pistol. Police respond and draw their guns as they approach Jameis Winston and his roommate and teammate, Chris Casher, and ultimately handcuff them. The two tell the officer they were shooting at squirrels with a pellet gun, and they are released without charges being filed.

Nov. 25, 2012: A few hours after the incident on the bike path, Winston, Casher and two other Florida State players, Mario Edwards and Kenneth “P.J.” Williams, allegedly engage in a BB- and pellet-gun battle at their apartment house, inflicting an estimated $4,000 in damage. Management at the apartment house declines to press criminal charges after an FSU athletic official vows that the players will pay for the damage.

Dec. 7, 2012: Winston is accused of raping a woman at his off-campus apartment. The woman reports the assault to police that day and five weeks later calls a detective and identifies Winston as her attacker after seeing him in a class. Tallahassee police drop the investigation, contending the woman has refused to cooperate, then revive it nine months later and sent it to State Attorney Willie Meggs. Meggs conducts a new investigation but concludes that there is not enough evidence to file criminal charges. Winston’s lawyer contends the sexual encounter was consensual. The U.S. Department of Education later launches a federal investigation of the school’s handling of the incident after questions arise about whether Florida State followed the provisions of Title IX, and in August 2014 the school launches an investigation of Winston under the student code of conduct.

July 21, 2013: Winston is accused of entering a Burger King in Tallahassee and helping himself to soda from the fountain machine without paying for it. A restaurant employee later tells police she gave Winston a cup of water but that he poured the water out and helped himself to several cups of soda despite her objections. No charges are filed.

April 29, 2014: Winston is accused of stealing $32.72 worth of crab legs from a Tallahassee supermarket. He is given a civil citation that allows him to perform community service and is suspended from the FSU baseball team until he completes that work. Winston tells police he “forgot” to pay for the crab legs and publicly apologizes.

May 20, 2014: Winston is expected at a code-of-conduct hearing for Chris Casher and Ronald Darby, two FSU teammates who alleged the witnessed a portion of the sexual encounter involving the quarterback and the woman who accused him of rape. They are both accused of violating school rules. Winston does not show up for the hearing, and his lawyer contends that no one from the school ever asked him to be there – something that is disputed by attorneys involved in the process. However, FSU officials later acknowledge that they have no way to force a witness to attend a code-of-conduct hearing.

Sept. 16, 2014: Winston is seen by several students jumping up on a table on campus and screaming a sexually charged expletive-laced phrase that was made popular on the internet. FSU head football coach Jimbo Fisher suspends Winston for the first half of the team’s upcoming game with Clemson, and school officials vow that he will be subject to “internal discipline” – most likely under the school’s code of conduct. Winston apologizes.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by pavulon

Sure. Not wishing bad for the guy. I honestly feel sympathy for people who have some talent but get chewed up and spit out by multibillion dollar entertainment machines like the NFL. It's a long way from a team golden boy to work-a-day Joe having to explain the fall to every Tom, Dick and Harry also working at a Publix in Florida. As always, time will tell.

Yup, gotta feel really sorry for a ball player who gets a $23.35 million rookie deal that includes a $16.7 million signing bonus.
I'd cry my friggin eyes out if he didn't work out and had to take his $23 mil and go home. So sad.