Ferrari Mileage Scandal?

[legion]

Report: Ferrari has device to roll back odometers to 0 | Fox News

According to a complaint filed by Root:
•Ferrari Spa, headquartered in Italy, licenses and markets a device known as a "Deis Tester" to its dealers worldwide.
•The Deis Tester, available since 2010, contains a software program that resets a Ferrari odometer to 0.
•Ferrari Spa, and its affiliate, Ferrari North America, train Ferrari dealer technicians on the use of the Deis Tester, including how to rollback an odometer.
•Ferrari licenses this equipment, administers the passwords and remote log-in authorizations, electronically uploads and tracks functions through the use of the device—including odometer rollbacks—through a remote internet connection, and stores the electronic data.
•Ferrari published a written policy manual dating back to at least 2010 detailing how to perform odometer rollbacks and authorizing the use of the Deis Tester.
•Each time the Deis Tester is used on a Ferrari, authorization is obtained from Ferrari via a wireless network. Vehicle diagnostics and procedures performed are automatically uploaded to a Ferrari database.

Specifically, Root alleges in his lawsuit that the Deis Tester was used on the 2015 Ferrari LaFerrari owned by Sara Lee CEO C. Steven McMillan on or about October 22, 2015, to set the odometer to 0. Root alleges that McMillan paid the technician cash to perform this operation, that Ferrari was aware of it, and that the dealer sought to keep the reset secret to evade potential regulatory and/or criminal consequences and to maintain loyalty from McMillan. Rolling back the miles on McMillan's car could make it worth up to $1 million more.
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If these accusations are indeed true, it means the mileage of any late-model Ferrari is in question, and any Ferrari that has changed hands as a used car in the last seven years could be subject to a lawsuit.

We reached out to Ferrari for comment and were told, "We do not comment on litigation between a dealer and its employees. This litigation involves third parties with respect to Ferrari North America and the litigation does not involve Ferrari. Ferrari reserves the right to take all appropriate action against any party that has adversely affected its rights."

[UconnTim97]

[Bob Kontak]

Daily Mail write-up is juicier.....

Ferrari uses device to roll back mileage, salesman accuses | Daily Mail Online

[Arizona_928]

Hmmm another former disgruntled employee whistle blower.

[GH85Carrera]

One has to wonder how Ferrari though that could ever remain a secret for long.

That is dumber than VW cheating on the diesel emissions. There is ZERO reason to ever roll back a odometer except fraud or a total factory restoration.

[berettafan]

man that is CRAZY!

Not sure how F car owners aren't going to get hurt on this one.

[aap1966]

My understanding was a lot of car brands can have the odometer rest to zero as long as total mileage was less than 100 (in Australia) km.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by aap1966

My understanding was a lot of car brands can have the odometer rest to zero as long as total mileage was less than 100 (in Australia) km.

I don't think the real mileage reset story is out.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by aap1966

My understanding was a lot of car brands can have the odometer rest to zero as long as total mileage was less than 100 (in Australia) km.

So drive it 80 KM and rest to zero, repeat and rinse a few times and then sell your zero mile car. Sounds legit.

[pwd72s]

How many here have plans to buy a Ferrari?

[masraum]

I would think that with the right tool, whether that be OBDII or for a Porsche, something like the Durametric, you could do that on most late model vehicles.

[URY914]

Originally Posted by pwd72s

How many here have plans to buy a Ferrari?

With this news I just cancelled my order. I'll show them!

[sc_rufctr]

The "Bomb Yards" (used car lots) have been doing this for years. It's a lot easier than you may think.
It's actually more difficult to wind the clock back on an older analogue display.

The "tool" has been available for a long time.

Did you know? Used car lots have been known to install power interrupt switches so they can switch of the dash boards.
That way they can drive a car around for months and not add to the mileage.

[sc_rufctr]

[Oh Haha]

Don't the dealers record the mileage when the car comes in for service? Seems like there would be a record in the system for a Ferrari that had at least one oil change/service.

[pen15]

I do believe that as far back as the E46 BMW, several components including the headlight switch all contain the total accumulated mileage. I know it sounds odd but I was going to replace the switch in an E46 wagon and discovered thru online forums that doing so will turn on the odometer tamper tattletale light on the instrument cluster.

[Bill Douglas]

I prefer the 911SC/Carrera crowd. We brag about how many miles our cars have done.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

There is ZERO reason to ever roll back a odometer except fraud or a total factory restoration.

I did it when replacing a broken gauge on my '87 Carrera. The used one I bought had more miles on it than the car did. But I had pretty good records to back it all up.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

I did it when replacing a broken gauge on my '87 Carrera. The used one I bought had more miles on it than the car did. But I had pretty good records to back it all up.

No one expects a 30 year old car to be zero miles. There are a few super low mileage Carreras out there. I think it is near criminal to not drive it. My 85 has 165,000 miles.

No one is going to look at the odometer of a 30 year old car and say yep that mileage must be accurate.

My 1986 El Camino only shows 52,000 miles. It has shown that number three times before since it is really 352,000 miles.

[reachme]

You can roll back miles but there should be many signs to look for.
1. you can't roll back years. If you have a 5 year old Ferrari with 500 miles you still need to show it was serviced regularly, so do you fake all those receipts with appropriate mileage, remove the entry for that new clutch you needed after 8,000 miles?
2. If the brake pedal pad was replaced, kind of odd for 500 stated miles
3. Bolts in a slightly different position with no service record mention
4. Carpet wear, button use, sun fade, road rash, tire wear (or lack), windshield pitting etc. etc.

I could see hiding a cheat from 10K miles to 5k but to go to zero requires a both a completely dishonest seller, dealer and a naive buyer with no independent inspection.