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Jeff Higgins 03-31-2017 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Geronimo '74 (Post 9533036)
Wow, makes you think twice about talking to women on the workfloor at all...

Actually, much has been written about this. The small percentage of women in the workforce who are filing these kinds of complaints have unwittingly (or perhaps knowingly and rather callously) closed many doors for their female compadres.

An example would be my situation where I work. I have mentored a fair number of junior engineers over the course of my career. With the guys, we often find an empty conference room for some "heart to heart" discussion, or go to lunch, or meet after work for a beer. A good deal of really frank information is relayed in these private get-togethers, "off the record", so to speak. Things you can't say "officially", but are vital to their development.

I would never even consider doing that with a woman. All interaction is "official" and in front of other people, kept at a very "professional" level.

Joe Bob 03-31-2017 07:16 AM

I stay FAR away from wimmen in the workplace. You always assume they are batschitz crazy. They should be home making sammies and assuring the beer is cold for when the HINC gets home.

Tobra 03-31-2017 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by matthewb0051 (Post 9533069)
Don't even think of speaking to HR until after you are represented and then only do what your lawyer says.

^this^

You need to defend this very aggressively.

I like to have my patients write the date they start using the insoles on the bottom with a sharpie. A1C of 6 is pretty darn good, especially if you are getting older. Be diligent. NOt surprising your regular foot guy sent you to someone that is doing wound care. Seems like new stuff is coming out all the time.

RKDinOKC 03-31-2017 07:43 AM

Could not get in touch with a lawyer before I had to file my comments with HR.

Wrote,
"I disagree with the accuracy of these statements. I did not threaten the interests or safety of (her). I did not sexually or racially harass (her). I understand she was offended and would like the opportunity to apologize."

impactbumper 03-31-2017 08:57 AM

what a ****ing dip s hit she is. Probably a snowflake too.

Por_sha911 03-31-2017 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RKDinOKC (Post 9532517)
The company is filing a disciplinary action, 5 days without pay, counselling, and it is going on my permanent record so if anything similar happens I will be terminated.

I need to talk to a good lawyer.

After you defend yourself you NEED a new employer!!

1990C4S 03-31-2017 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RKDinOKC (Post 9533207)
Could not get in touch with a lawyer before I had to file my comments with HR.

Wrote,
"I disagree with the accuracy of these statements. I did not threaten the interests or safety of (her). I did not sexually or racially harass (her). I understand she was offended and would like the opportunity to apologize."

You should not have replied. They can't compel you to comment prior to receiving legal advice.

Asking for a chance to apologize makes it sound like 'I was wrong, I need to apologize'.

JD159 03-31-2017 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 1990C4S (Post 9533351)
You should not have replied. They can't compel you to comment prior to receiving legal advice.

Doesn't offering to apologize act as an admission of guilt?

RKDinOKC 03-31-2017 09:17 AM

Felt I had to state something about disagreeing with the accusations and that I did NOT do the actions specified was necessary. Especially since the report was going on my record. The understanding she was offended and the opportunity to apologize for offending her shows I am an adult and not out for some kind of revenge. People can be offended by anything, that doesn't make it harassment. The adult way to handle being offended is to let the person know you were offended. That gives them the OPPORTUNITY to apologize and refrain from offending you in the future. Children go tattle tale when they are offended.

1990C4S 03-31-2017 09:25 AM

Sorry, I don't agree. I hope they see it your way.

RKDinOKC 03-31-2017 09:38 AM

Yeah, hope I didn't screw myself. Consulted with a lot of people and they stated offering to apologize was important as it showed I had no malicious intent.

island911 03-31-2017 10:36 AM

Yeah you should apologize... Tell her you're sorry she's such a bat-schit crazy idiot.

jwasbury 03-31-2017 10:45 AM

Sending you a PM Richard

dyount 03-31-2017 10:48 AM

Had an "issue" with a subordinate a few months back , she took "issue" with me saying "maybe instead of chatting in the back hallway you could do your f'n job".
Meeting gets scheduled by supervisor to "discuss". Day before I stop by the office with my statement of "I'll go to the meeting but I'm absolutely not signing anything you put in front of me". That didn't go over very well but nothing went on my record .
In my business "gov't construction inspection" , if it's not an issue with office staff it's someone who thinks for one moment it's ok to leave the house prior to an inspection and leave kids there to let me in.... like oh hell no

Evans, Marv 03-31-2017 10:59 AM

The problem with the harassment thing has been going on for years, and Jeff's comments are true. I worked in education and was early on advised about it, and that advice was decades ago. When I was teaching, I never allowed myself to be alone with a female student. Later on in other programs, I practiced the same with female participants and female coworkers in those programs. The best I would do as far as being alone with a female was in an office with windows where everybody in the office could look in. I once had a female coworker comment that I was going to show her my "tool." I told her I was flattered but only showed it to one woman at a time, plus guys had to be always careful of the liabilities in the workplace. If it had been the other way around, and I asked her to show me her "tool box," I would have been in trouble.

svandamme 03-31-2017 11:11 AM

Offering to apologize for what, you made a blanket statement. It implies you might have something to apologize for. So you gave her more ammo.

island911 03-31-2017 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RKDinOKC (Post 9533415)
Yeah, hope I didn't screw myself. Consulted with a lot of people and they stated offering to apologize was important as it showed I had no malicious intent.

That's defensive posturing.

More neutral would be simply stating; Clearly, I had no sexual nor malicious intent.

911 Rod 03-31-2017 12:09 PM

Excuse my ignorance, but is it true about the foreskins?

Sounds like you have a had a rough go lately. You have people here to talk to.

speeder 03-31-2017 12:21 PM

So that's where all that foreskin goes.

matthewb0051 03-31-2017 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RKDinOKC (Post 9533415)
Yeah, hope I didn't screw myself. Consulted with a lot of people and they stated offering to apologize was important as it showed I had no malicious intent.

Stop talking now. You should not make any further statements, either orally or in writing. If asked, tell them you will wait to respond on advice of and after consulting with counsel. Ask that they give their questions to you in writing as well as any request to make a statement.


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