Joe Bonamassa

[javadog]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

And Giorgio Mororoder was a genius.

I disagree that it represented the last of real talent.

I don't consider EDM, DJ's, etc. to be music. Then again, I don't do drugs.

By the way, it's spelled Moroder...

I will give him a little credit for the American Gigolo soundtrack, but that's the extent of my interest in his work.

JR

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by javadog

I don't consider EDM, DJ's, etc. to be music. Then again, I don't do drugs.

By the way, it's spelled Moroder...

I will give him a little credit for the American Gigolo soundtrack, but that's the extent of my interest in his work.

JR

There is way more out there than just DJ's, EDM, etc...

Just have to know where to look.

And yeah, blame the typo on the slow keyboard buffer on the iPad which always seems 10 characters behind what I've actually typed.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by sugarwood

I find disco to be tons more engaging than formulaic blues.
Disco was the last gasp of real music talent before computers took over in the 80s.
Literally no weak links. Killer, and I mean KILLER bass grooves, horn sections, funk guitar, amazing vocalstalent, rock solid drumming.
Nothing has even come close since.

Remember this nugget?

People may not like disco as a genre but this was well done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-CmFbO7wkA

[Don Ro]

[QUOTE=Rtrorkt;9551231 Try this from Red Rocks

[/QUOTE]
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This thread is still going on, so I'll give my opinion in a different manner.
.
This performance by JB is not bad at all...except...
at around 2:30 he begins what I find to be his usual, what I see as his, schtick. It comes across to me this way: "I'm going to impress and dazzle you with my recovery speed, my talent in being able to overwhelm you with my flawless technical finger action to such an extent that you'll fall into a state of awe."
And, to me, it just sounds like a blurring string-storm...like any other guitarist's bluring riffs.
When he slows down and gets out of his head and his drive to impress, more of the heart of the blues can be heard...sort of.
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Here is a good example of what I see as the difference between JB and a select few other authentic blues guitarists:

1994 Olympics...Oksana Baiul vs Nancy Kerrigan...beauty and grace vs technical presentation.
While watching N. Kerrigan, it's clear that she could skate perfectly (almost)...so much so that you focused on her technique and nothing else.
Why? Because she had nothing else but technique.
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WINTER OLYMPICS - The Judges' Judge Says Baiul Deserves the Gold - NYTimes.com
.
Words used to describe O. Baiul's performance:

"...a more artistic, balletic and engaging style,..."
"...she is...a joyous skater with swanlike grace."
"When Oksana presents a program, it is really coming from the heart, the inside," Lindgren said. "To me, she's an artist on the ice. Nancy's a little more cold as a skater. She has a nice presentation, but it's not really coming from the inside."
.
Here is an exhibition...not a competitive program at the Olympics. Watch and then read the comments:
Here's only one of many, many >>>
"The song is magnificently beautiful and there is something different about her performance... can u feel/see it? There is no "mind" in her performance. She's all heart and divine grace. Best skate performance of all time."


.
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Here she is presenting her competition program in the same Olympics.
Again, read the comments.
.


.
Do a Youtube search for N. Kerrigan's performance...the difference will be obvious.
Kerrigan is technically excellent, but little heart and feel.

.
OK, over 'n out.
Love the blues that you love, gents.

Originally Posted by Don Ro

I'll probably catch hell for this, but Joe B. does nothing for me. He's quick, has obvious technical talent, but I just don't get that "feeling" when I listen to and/or watch him.
OK, ducking for cover...
...he almost reminds me of a blues guitarist version of Michael Bolton.
.
As you were, boys.

Wow--I thought I was the only one who thought so. He doesn't do much for me, either.

Now, Derek Trucks is a whole 'nother story.

[Don Ro]

^^^^
Totally agree!!!

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[Don Ro]

"Every single time, there's always an argument over who's better than who. And every single time, they get it all, all so wrong. These guys are artists, with magic in their fingers, every one of them. Like painters and their canvas, great guitar players cannot be rated, because their works are different, and can't be judged on any rating system, other than our ears and our heart. It's not the range, or the notes, or the speed of their hands that makes them great. It's how they make you feel as you listen to them perform, you can feel the emotion come through the music. And that's what makes a musician, whether a singer, or someone playing an instrument, great.

To all the people saying "nothing too great about this" because hes not being all showy like the lead guitarist in a rock band are forgetting a few crucial things.
1. He was a session musician on this track. He's not meant to showboat the entire track.
2. Good guitar playing isn't always about speed and being able to go up and down the scales like a madman. Sometimes being a good guitarist is about knowing exactly how to play your instrument to compliment the song perfectly.
3.The playing doesn't have to be complicated or difficult in a technical sense to be brilliant. Too many people complaining that because its not fast or showy it isn't good."
.
- - Andreas Poppe

I look to David Gilmour as the perfect example of a great musician who happens to play guitar. While I'm sure he can run through scales with the best of them, he chooses instead to make every note count, and his phrases are poetic.

Trucks is the same way--not a showy bone in his body, but man, does he make it talk.

[sugarwood]

Originally Posted by javadog

I don't consider EDM, DJ's, etc. to be music. Then again, I don't do drugs.

By the way, it's spelled Moroder...

I will give him a little credit for the American Gigolo soundtrack, but that's the extent of my interest in his work.

JR

Giorgio Moroder basically changed music forever, and invented a new paradigm of music in 1977

[javadog]

Disco had a short life, thank God, like some of the other minor musical aberrations such as punk or grunge. As a drummer, I was less than impressed with any disco beat. Frankly, apart from the singing, much of disco could be produced without any musicians being involved in the recording.

Feel free to live in the past and get into your white pants and polyester shirts on Saturday nights.

Now if we could just kill off rap and hip-hop, all would be right with the world.

JR

[Rtrorkt]

Originally Posted by javadog

Disco had a short life, thank God, like some of the other minor musical aberrations such as punk or grunge. As a drummer, I was less than impressed with any disco beat. Frankly, apart from the singing, much of disco could be produced without any musicians being involved in the recording.

Feel free to live in the past and get into your white pants and polyester shirts on Saturday nights.

Now if we could just kill off rap and hip-hop, all would be right with the world.

JR

Boom! +1

[yazhound]

Originally Posted by Don Ro

~~~~~~~~~~
This thread is still going on, so I'll give my opinion in a different manner.
.
This performance by JB is not bad at all...except...
at around 2:30 he begins what I find to be his usual, what I see as his, schtick. It comes across to me this way: "I'm going to impress and dazzle you with my recovery speed, my talent in being able to overwhelm you with my flawless technical finger action to such an extent that you'll fall into a state of awe."
And, to me, it just sounds like a blurring string-storm...like any other guitarist's bluring riffs.
When he slows down and gets out of his head and his drive to impress, more of the heart of the blues can be heard...sort of.
~~~~~~~~
Here is a good example of what I see as the difference between JB and a select few other authentic blues guitarists:

1994 Olympics...Oksana Baiul vs Nancy Kerrigan...beauty and grace vs technical presentation.
While watching N. Kerrigan, it's clear that she could skate perfectly (almost)...so much so that you focused on her technique and nothing else.
Why? Because she had nothing else but technique.
~~~~~~~~~~

WINTER OLYMPICS - The Judges' Judge Says Baiul Deserves the Gold - NYTimes.com
.
Words used to describe O. Baiul's performance:

"...a more artistic, balletic and engaging style,..."
"...she is...a joyous skater with swanlike grace."
"When Oksana presents a program, it is really coming from the heart, the inside," Lindgren said. "To me, she's an artist on the ice. Nancy's a little more cold as a skater. She has a nice presentation, but it's not really coming from the inside."
.
Here is an exhibition...not a competitive program at the Olympics. Watch and then read the comments:
Here's only one of many, many >>>
"The song is magnificently beautiful and there is something different about her performance... can u feel/see it? There is no "mind" in her performance. She's all heart and divine grace. Best skate performance of all time."


.
~~~~~~~~
Here she is presenting her competition program in the same Olympics.
Again, read the comments.
.


.
Do a Youtube search for N. Kerrigan's performance...the difference will be obvious.
Kerrigan is technically excellent, but little heart and feel.

.
OK, over 'n out.
Love the blues that you love, gents.

Funny this white black thing.... Have several friends in the Chicago music scene. One is keyboard player for Buddy Guy. White dude. One was Otis Rush's and Koko Taylor's band leader/drummer. White dude. Another plays guitar for many black musos in Chicago land. White dude. They all have enough funk and soul for cats who can demand only best in a town full of musicians.

Either you feel it or you don't. Do we need to worry about the ice skating analogy?! Next you will be offering up Annie on broadway vs. Annie the movie. lol

[yazhound]

Originally Posted by sugarwood

Giorgio Moroder basically changed music forever, and invented a new paradigm of music in 1977

Beat me to the Donna. But she was the high mark of disco.... Course there was Chic too. But both were way more than just disco.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by yazhound

Funny this white black thing.... Have several friends in the Chicago music scene. One is keyboard player for Buddy Guy. White dude. One was Otis Rush's and Koko Taylor's band leader/drummer. White dude. Another plays guitar for many black musos in Chicago land. White dude. They all have enough funk and soul for cats who can demand only best in a town full of musicians.

Either you feel it or you don't.

^^^^ Yep. This is not a knock on JB, but when you've seen Buddy (in his prime), and Koko's Blues Machine back when she was Queen, then Joe's covers just do NOT compare. And Blind Faith...I'll take Stevie and Eric's version too . Johnny Winter in his prime....and on and on and on....

Ain't nobody ever gonna be covering JB imo....but he CAN play...just not my thang

edited.... Oh yeah...disco SUCKED...'77-78 were my hs years...and like most, I went to discos...for the girls...not the crappy drum machine music

[javadog]

Originally Posted by KC911

Joe's covers just do NOT compare.

I disagree. To use an example that I brought up earlier, in this thread or the last one about him, go listen to his version of "Going Down" that he recorded at the Greek Theatre on the Three Kings tour. I'm not sure if it's on the internet. If not, seek it out. There may be other versions on the net but those are not the recording I want you to listen to. Then, go listen to Freddie King's original. Then, listen to a cover by someone like Jeff Beck. If you don't like the JB version better, I can't help you.

It's like Clapton's covers of Robert Johnson's songs. If you don't like the Clapton versions better, you are one weird dude. Johnson may have a place in history but his recordings are hard to listen to. It's not the recording technology he used, such as it was, it's the playing, the voice, etc.

JB can play like anybody he wants to mimic, if that's what he wants to do. He has the ear, he has the talent. He's obsessed with guitars and amps and how everything from his fingers to your ears affects the final sound.

When you compare him to other "busy" players, like Stevei Vai, or Eddie VanHalen, I finf JB to be far more musical. Sometimes it takes a few listens to get what he's doing but there's more in there than it may sound like when you first hear it.

JR

[yazhound]

Originally Posted by javadog

I disagree. To use an example that I brought up earlier, in this thread or the last one about him, go listen to his version of "Going Down" that he recorded at the Greek Theatre on the Three Kings tour. I'm not sure if it's on the internet. If not, seek it out. There may be other versions on the net but those are not the recording I want you to listen to. Then, go listen to Freddie King's original. Then, listen to a cover by someone like Jeff Beck. If you don't like the JB version better, I can't help you.

It's like Clapton's covers of Robert Johnson's songs. If you don't like the Clapton versions better, you are one weird dude. Johnson may have a place in history but his recordings are hard to listen to. It's not the recording technology he used, such as it was, it's the playing, the voice, etc.

JB can play like anybody he wants to mimic, if that's what he wants to do. He has the ear, he has the talent. He's obsessed with guitars and amps and how everything from his fingers to your ears affects the final sound.

When you compare him to other "busy" players, like Stevei Vai, or Eddie VanHalen, I finf JB to be far more musical. Sometimes it takes a few listens to get what he's doing but there's more in there than it may sound like when you first hear it.

JR

Can't say I agree on RJ vs. EC. Too different but both great, mostly. Some EC versions too mmm, nice for lack of better word.

One thing I also like about JB that you eluded to, he uses vintage guitars to get the sound. Fine, great sounding instruments and aptly for a car site, he does not keep them as garage queens.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by yazhound

Can't say I agree on RJ vs. EC. Too different but both great, mostly. Some EC versions too mmm, nice for lack of better word.

You still read by candle light? **** in the woods, out back?

I'm OK with "nice."

JR

[javadog]

One other thing about the Three king's covers... Joe put together a hell of a band and they arranged the songs very differently from the originals. Some blues songs are so short to be embarrassing, so the additional musicians and additional playing were very welcome. Reese Wynan's intro to "Going Down" was just brilliant.

JR

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by javadog

I disagree. To use an example that I brought up earlier, in this thread or the last one about him, go listen to his version of "Going Down" that he recorded at the Greek Theatre on the Three Kings tour. I'm not sure if it's on the internet. If not, seek it out. There may be other versions on the net but those are not the recording I want you to listen to. Then, go listen to Freddie King's original. Then, listen to a cover by someone like Jeff Beck. If you don't like the JB version better, I can't help you.

It's like Clapton's covers of Robert Johnson's songs. If you don't like the Clapton versions better, you are one weird dude. Johnson may have a place in history but his recordings are hard to listen to. It's not the recording technology he used, such as it was, it's the playing, the voice, etc.

JB can play like anybody he wants to mimic, if that's what he wants to do. He has the ear, he has the talent. He's obsessed with guitars and amps and how everything from his fingers to your ears affects the final sound.

When you compare him to other "busy" players, like Stevei Vai, or Eddie VanHalen, I finf JB to be far more musical. Sometimes it takes a few listens to get what he's doing but there's more in there than it may sound like when you first hear it.

JR

We're just gonna have to disagree . I just don't give a schit about JB's stuff enough to search it out....but he CAN play!!! I've got thousands of blues, blues/rock albums and CDs...too many to dig out and listen too again...and I AM weird too ....don't care for EVH or Vai....nada for "me" there either...different strokes, and they are all good imo.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by yazhound

One thing I also like about JB that you eluded to, he uses vintage guitars to get the sound. Fine, great sounding instruments and aptly for a car site, he does not keep them as garage queens.

One more thing about that... He looks at what guitar was used for the original recording and often uses the same type of guitar. Might be a 6-figure guitar, but it gets used anyway. He's obsessed about nuances of the sound that most of us will never hear, and he does it out of respect for the artists he covers.

Like all good guitarists (Billy Gibbons comes to mind here also) he can talk all day about virtually anything or anybody in the guitar world.

JR