My dear Auntie would call me at 12 AM ...3 AM East coast telling me she lost her cat...only she didn't have a cat. Then she would accuse her son of stealing from her.

She had a pacemaker put in and I think her slow heart beat caused senile dementia. Ironically she outlived her two sons passing away at 90.

It is well known that there is a severe ointment shortage in the Martian mines. Minors are suffering nasty chaffing and rashes on their tentacles and oar production is at dangerously low levels as a result.

There's water on mars?

Why else would you need oars?

Maybe to stir the big pots Soylent Green?

I wonder who is more delusional the space slaves guy
or the funddies who believe satan possess someone

I think both need help from a doctor

I think you need to get out of FL bro... there are an awful lot of religious crackpots down there. It’s not like that everywhere - fortunately there are an awful lot of sane places left in America where people arent constantly putting the “mental” (as in “mental case”) back in “fundamentalism”. You seem particularly bothered by religious nuts (it’s expressed in every post you make). Consider changing your scenery and make yourself happier.

I recall a conversation I had with A after lunch one day. We were heading back to work and the subject of grad school came up. We both were at UMass at different times but I also told him I was at UConn working on a dissertation on synthesizing micro-lithographic techniques to establish nerve path ways for growth direction. The subject got on to having neurons and be able to interact with micro-circuits for both data storage and info busing. He had a fascinated look on his face. I told him I was actually working with the folks at the Navy Research labs on it. He was real curious way the Navy would want to do such a thing. I told him that there were somethings that ain't my business and that as long as there was plenty of funding so be it. I had dreams of doing a start-up as soon as I perfected the techniques in hopes of getting into directed nerve regen. Life took a different turn when I was offered a boat load to work at GE...anyway.

I recall he was fascinated by the work more so then anyone I had met and frankly it fed into my ego which as many know is basically insatiable!

One night after work a bunch of us went to happy hour. The topic of grad school was brought up and A went into the work I did. I wanted to get off of the subject matter because I considered it a personal failure for not following through with me plans and instead took a cash out. I went to explain that I also had to teach at a local community college to make extra money for child support. My research stipend was fine for me but not to share. I was asked what I taught and I told the group that I taught classes in zen Buddhism which had nothing to do with my research but was something I practiced at the time and I did have a BA in Philosophy with a focus on the eastern stuff. While, A just about wanted to blow me at this point! I mean the guy was looking at me in amazement. Again, feeding my ego is a good thing right?!?

Anyway, I told them (with focus on him) that I also developed a few other classed that were actually pretty popular. One had to do with the convergence of eastern mysticism and the 'new' physics which was titled 'The Quantum Buddha' and the other a course in Biogenisis - the very Beginnings of Life. At this point some of my buds had lost interest (especially J - the nuke officer - he had no time or interest in such frivolous pursuits!) and G was scanning the bar for the next honey, but A was mesmerized. I went on to share some ideas I had about how I though that the true beginning didn't start in the oceans, establishing a polymerization path for the basics of a self-replicating molecule in a saline or even pure aqueous solution was not easy. Those reactions are step-growth IMO and require metal catalysts. Condensation and emulsion reactions can be done in such solutions and maybe chain growth reactions and even proteins but what was required was something to be developed prior, a semectic structured liquid crystalline outer layer and a different ordered inner but the best (easiest) way would be through what is know as solid state polymerization which at the time bio folks didn't really know anything about.

So by this time A is blown away. He said "how do you know this stuff?" I told him that when I was in grad school I was dating a girl at the med school and we would spend a ton of time in the library. I read a bunch because I wanted to hang with her but she had to study. This was before the internet really made this stuff easy and books and journals were the way of the day.

So he says "So you think life began in the Earth and not the oceans or tide pools?" Well, the very start but I told him that eventually the reactions needed energy and an aquas environment provided more mobility and greater access to hydrocarbons which are good sources of energy, couple that with the high degree for radiation like the UV, gamma, and cosmic that would enter through the atmosphere of a young world and while the majority of that energy would cleave the shyt out of a molecule, a small percentage would actually add in the complicated synthesis route needed. Now mind you, it would take zillions of failed reactions to produce one that worked but time and resources were on a young Earths side. But the very start - the 'biogenisis' might have been in a solid state - maybe clay?

So for the nest several months he would ask about all sorts of stuff along these lines. I told him were to find some of the research that was going on at CalTech and MIT and he was really into it.

I never really gave this any thought until I started to reflect last night on A and my interactions with him in an attempt to see if there were any tell tale signs. Outside of his amazing curiosity he was fine. I just wish he vetted the ideas and concepts against empirical science. I have whack ideas but upon researching out the idea and applying what I have learned about the fundamentals helps me vett out the junk from the possible to the probable.

Maybe that is were he went wrong?

Sheesh. I've seen the documentary "Moon". Everyone knows it's just one guy with a computer (and a hologram) that control the machines that mine the minerals on the Moon.

Interesting comments, but to address just the OP's comments, I would suggest that you do not mess with him.

As Tabs mentioned in one of his posts, his mental state could cause an unexpected reaction that no one wants to happen. Clearly, by the account posted, he appears to need professional mental health care, not input from friends that plays into his delusions--that would only confirm his world view. Delusions are real to the deluded.

He needs help, but as an adult that is not a danger to himself or to others (as far as we know), there is no way to force him to get the help. If these delusions are in the forefront of his consciousness--meaning he dwells on them nearly all the time and his life revolves around them--his situation, mentally, looks grim. The comment about his wife leaving him seems to be for that very reason.

Hey Lubey,

Here's an observation (A) and some advice (B):

A. You're playing with Fire

B. It will burn you, eventually. Dilllusional people are unpredictable people.

Point - like a mean dog, best to leave well enough alone and make sure the owner is at least aware of the situation. I'm not a pro at the mental health stuff and I stay at Marriotts and Hiltons not Holiday Inns so I am not at all qualified.

Just have to say...

My brother that is into that stuff is not real smart. He is very gullible to believe anything that says there is a conspiracy to keep it secret or stop it. The fact they say there is a conspiracy validates whatever it is. And it's not just off world military, slaves or mining and/or extraterrestrials. It also includes unapproved "natural" medications, "free" power sources, government control of historical facts and finding, the secret base found under Antartica, some group being out to get them, and more. Basically all the stuff these people tend to put in a Manifesto. These Manifestos end up being their justification for anti-social or immoral actions.

The reason I recommended the Urantia book is that it seems include the conspiracy logic if not the things theorised themselves and is basically teaching there is a God over all of it, and what they do to/for others matters in their next life and they should strive be and do good things.

Urantia has a lot of on-line training that requires the students to write papers on the ideas presented. It seems to aim the students thought away from creating an anti-social and/or immoral Manifesto.

This is just what I see happening to an older brother.

What Do You Do When A Friend Goes Dillusional?
 

Go to PPOT and write way too much detail about it?
You can't reason with crazy. I would pray for him and avoid him until sanity returns.

actually north fla and the rest of the southern area are far worse for fundies
then locally and the more rural the more fundies and local control by fundies too
often all over the rural south

the way I see it both believers in very unlikely things like satan.gods or space slaves
are about the same level of delusions esp if they act on those delusions a lot
as nether is likely to have a live and let live outlook about their delusions
but are far more likely to be obsessed by such belief and there for act in odd ways
because of them

:rolleyes:

So how old was he when you had that conversation? The delusions are just manifestations of deeper issues.

Lots of times the delusions give order or a rationale to a disordered or chaotic state.

Btw my last sentence is a money shot sentence.

I'm not a medical professional but deal with clients daily who are being treated for mental health and co-occurring disorder (mental health and chemical dependency). Your friend needs help, not someone messing with him. He either is suffering from serious mental health issues or has early onset dementia, which I've also seen first hand. As someone said, there is no way to force someone not presenting as a danger to self or others to seek treatment, but the wife or a family member may be able to get him to be assessed. This may already have happened and you just don't know without checking with the wife.

I dated a gal close to 10 years back who's father started having symptoms in his fifties. His personality changed, started craving sweets, etc. Within a few short years he was committed to the state mental hospital with all reality gone. He was relatively young and strong which was a bad combination. It's one thing for a frail 85 year old to lose touch with reality. It's another for a guy in his fifties who worked as a logger and can tear sinks off of the wall and attack the nurses with it.

If you want to do something productive and helpful, check with the wife or another family member and see what has been done already.

The he11 you say. I have done it, to the amazement of the shrinks, who asked how I did it. You just have to translate crazy into English.

The nutzo's are working off of some kind of rational that is uniquely their own, you just have to find what it is to get inside of their special world.

As far as awareness goes people (like yourselves) are still at the burning of witches stage of enlightenment. In other words you are practicing hoodoo science. Let us get out youe cauldron of Bat wings and eye of the newt bubbling stew....

You folks are so deaf dumb and blind that you could wake up one morning and not even realize that all your furniture had be rearranged during the night. Old Charlie and his merry band of murderers according to the Bug in "Helter Skeltor"would break into peoples houses at night and do just that while they were asleep, they would call it "Kreepy Crawling."

And you have your own bugs in the attic..in other words your foaming at the mouth diatribes are indicative of some unresolved issues that does not allow you to let go of.

read about ''the children of god and their leader moses david

those fools got some of my relatives for a while

all religions are cults inc yours
sure some are less evil then others so what
all god bothered people are delusional
tali-ban or fundie christians here they have a very similar program
and they don't like to be questioned let alone told they are WRONG