What Do You Do When A Friend Goes Dillusional?
 

I haven't talked to this guy (lets call him A) in years - exchanged emails but not really talked. Recently A and I made contact. After a few minutes he begins to tell me about over 200,000 salves are being shipping to Mars for mining operations. At first I think he is messing with me. He wasn't. When I knew this guy he was plenty sane. Really smart engineer and very personable. When I was single, A and two of my other friends would go camping, hit the bars and strip joints, basically guy stuff and never did he present the least bit whacky. I lost touch with him and the other guy we will call J over the years but the 4th, lets call him G and I stayed close. The other J and G served - J as a nuke officer on a boomer and G as a capt. in the Army, saw tours in Somalia and Iraq. A never served. I bring this up because G also has been in contact with A. G calls me up to recant the conversation he has with A. I told him the same shyt happened to me with him. A went into far more detail with G on his ideas then he did with me. A told G about how Columbus actually was the first to the moon and that there is a military base there. That Nuke subs are also space ships. A went into talking about the Gray people and how they shape shift and can control the perception frequencies.

G says that A's wife is leaving him with their daughter because A is gone basically nuts and won't listen to reason. G is also concerned for him and asked me what he (we) should do?

I am not sure its really anything I can do but I do feel bad for the guy. I told G to call him back and say "Listen G, I couldn't tell you before but I can now because I am on a secure line and I have made sure you are as well. As you now I was in the Army but what you don't know is that I am a high ranking officer in the Space Corp and yes, all your suspicions are true but you have to stop talking about it or they are going to harvest you. You know way too much and if anyone if in Sector Z who by the way is headed up by J, finds out that you have broken the critical mass of transgression and start posting this stuff well, there won't be anything I can do for you. And as you know, J never really liked you anyway!"

G thought that would be actually pretty fun but wondered what the damage it might do. The way I figure is that he has become delusional and I am not sure there is anything to bring him back anyway so why not F*** with him! Actually I really don't mean that, well mostly I don't mean that.

How does someone who seems right as rain, smart, sorted out and basically together get to the point that they believe the YouTube crap ? How does this happen? Do any of you know anyone that went from 'OK' to "Oh Dear"?

Long term inpatient.

Everyone has a breaking point.... Said breaking points does not discriminate.

He either needs to part ways with the street drugs or get familiar with some antipsychotic meds because he and reality have parted ways.

That's sad. I think I would reach out to the wife without A's knowledge and ask about what's been done and if he has any family (brother or sister or something) that might coordinate some care.

I knew a girl back in high school, I was certain she was my 'soulmate'... but she had other ideas. Long story short she went to college up north, met a nice guy, got married, I went to the wedding and we all got to be great friends. I should say back when we were young it was the 80's and we did our fair share of partying.

Fast forward to a few years ago, I decide to make a random call and see how she and the hubby are doing. Conversation started out normal enough but then she commented on the worm infestation, said they were all over the back yard, little white worms. Me: "well that is terrible you should call a terminator" She says (in a whisper) her husband doesn't believe her, the worms are inside the house, and inside the refrigerator, she catches them and puts them in baggies and shows people and they still don't believe her.

I politely backed out of the conversation and hung up.


And besides everyone knows that Juan Ponce de León was first to the moon... crackpot!

What we believe is what we filter of our inputs that we consider true.

Lots of folks can be exposed to the same ideas without accepting them, and once in awhile people really want to latch onto something.

I used to have an Australian dude that would regularly let me know American's didn't go to the moon, with all sorts of crazy things to support it. No amount of physics explanations about his ideas would get anywhere. Anything that disagreed with his ideas was filtered out.

I think the best way to deal with someone like this is not to disagree and argue - it won't work, but to instead fill them up with something better to have on their mind on a regular basis.

In all seriousness this is probably a good idea, however if someone has gone too far over the edge not always much friends and family can do... a Dr would be a good idea if someone can get him to one.

When I am faced with an individual that is presenting ‘out there’ ideas, (and they are often drunk and / or trying to start an argument), my approach is to tell them, “ Ya, we know. Everyone agrees with you.” Often I have to repeat the “Everyone agrees with you” part 2 or 3 times before they move on.

All this being said, my father has some crackpot buddys. One has my elderly dad convinced that Antarctica is a portal to the inside of the earth where the inner earth people live. Naturally, the inner earth people are controlling our governments... I have asked a few questions to test this hypothesis and poked fun at the responses...

cant talk much they will come back soon im using morse code through the shield power system hope its working we need help sitting at bbq in park on friday and bright light then we are all here together flying away from earth please contact nasa send help im

And then there are seemingly normal people who think Star Trek/Star Wars is real.

Check the insignia on the ship... it's from NASA!

Tell the wife....early signs of dementia are hard to diagnose until spouse and close freinds point it out and send you to the doctor.

^This. Thank you.

Dementia can begin as a whisper and take over someones life before realizing the water is boiling.
There are many different types, and drugs made for Alzheimer's will actually make Lewy Bodies(2nd most common) symptoms worse instead of better.

Me and my retired neighbor friend made a quick run for a burger the other night, and on the way home I suggested we peruse the local car lots. So we checked out the Fords and then he wanted to see if the Nissan dealer had a long wheelbase Frontier truck.....that he might buy used in 5 years. Mind you it is now almost 10 p.m.

So this Kenyan looking foreign speaking fellow dressed in a suit comes out of nowhere ready to make a deal.....at 10 p.m.

Looking at the Nissan pick up trucks I tell him "We'll take 5 of these if you can mount a 50 caliber in the back of each one by morning!" I think my neighbor was ready to crawl under a Versa.

As for the salesman, he split.:D

This is patently FALSE, it is 217,712 that are being shipped to Mars with a further 177,122 being shipped to Saturn in a joint colonization project by the Orion confederation. Once there the slaves are hybridized into a half human and half alien subspecies. Barack Obama is in fact a Brother From Another Planet. Did you ever Check out his ears? Obama wasn't born in Keyna it was on Mars. His community organization activities in Chicago was to round up new slaves and reintegrate hybridized humans on earth. SEIU is a front organization for illegal aliens on earth.

Oh btw you do not want to make him paranoid. That could lead to disastrous results.

My 78 yo brother is into the same crap. His family, ex wife and kids won't even answer the phone any more. He used to visit my other brother that lives 2 houses from me. Now SIL won't allow him in her house (they are fundamentalists that claim he is Satan worshiper). So he visits me for the major holidays. Have told him I love science fiction and all that is very entertaining so he doesn't try to convince me I need to change my religion. Funny if you tell them that sounds cool, they kinda stop talking about it.

Go to a new age bookstore and get a URANTIA book. It is a whole religion based on that same stuff and lots more. Brother is really into it. Is supports all the extraterrestrial stuff but has him treating others good instead of being judgmental or going postal. When you pass to the next level of consciousness you are shown how what you did effected other people and you don't get to go to the next level after that until you learn to treat everyone good.

You can also do a web search on a guy named David Wilcocks for extraterrestrial influence stuff with the grays and all that. He is also in contact with all the bases everywhere. Bother is really into the conspiracy things.

According the "research" bro has done there are 21 civilizations that have been in secret contact with Earth. Most good, but some bad. Grays are good and hang around in area around Area 51. There is a bad group that are lizard people, live in volcanic vents, have mind control, and abduct and eat children. Similar to the series "V".

There are military bases on the dark side of the moon, and on mars and inside the moons of Saturn. Most of the "Ancient" God, etc. were extraterrestrials. Example: Egyptian painting of people with elongated heads are the offsprings of an even older extraterrestrial civilization that was banished to this solar system like the Great Britton sent criminals to Australia. It was a penal solar system.

Like I said, I enjoy science fiction. I tell you these conspiracy people are really missing the boat not writing stories and movies about this stuff instead of going around trying to tell everyone it's real.

we're domed~ SmileWavy

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My mother-in-law was demented. Nothing funny about it at all...

This guy ain't suffering from dementia. Sounds more like paranoid schizophrenia.

Betcha the guy started losing it around age 27.

My dear Auntie would call me at 12 AM ...3 AM East coast telling me she lost her cat...only she didn't have a cat. Then she would accuse her son of stealing from her.

She had a pacemaker put in and I think her slow heart beat caused senile dementia. Ironically she outlived her two sons passing away at 90.

It is well known that there is a severe ointment shortage in the Martian mines. Minors are suffering nasty chaffing and rashes on their tentacles and oar production is at dangerously low levels as a result.

There's water on mars?

Why else would you need oars?

Maybe to stir the big pots Soylent Green?

I wonder who is more delusional the space slaves guy
or the funddies who believe satan possess someone

I think both need help from a doctor

I think you need to get out of FL bro... there are an awful lot of religious crackpots down there. It’s not like that everywhere - fortunately there are an awful lot of sane places left in America where people arent constantly putting the “mental” (as in “mental case”) back in “fundamentalism”. You seem particularly bothered by religious nuts (it’s expressed in every post you make). Consider changing your scenery and make yourself happier.

I recall a conversation I had with A after lunch one day. We were heading back to work and the subject of grad school came up. We both were at UMass at different times but I also told him I was at UConn working on a dissertation on synthesizing micro-lithographic techniques to establish nerve path ways for growth direction. The subject got on to having neurons and be able to interact with micro-circuits for both data storage and info busing. He had a fascinated look on his face. I told him I was actually working with the folks at the Navy Research labs on it. He was real curious way the Navy would want to do such a thing. I told him that there were somethings that ain't my business and that as long as there was plenty of funding so be it. I had dreams of doing a start-up as soon as I perfected the techniques in hopes of getting into directed nerve regen. Life took a different turn when I was offered a boat load to work at GE...anyway.

I recall he was fascinated by the work more so then anyone I had met and frankly it fed into my ego which as many know is basically insatiable!

One night after work a bunch of us went to happy hour. The topic of grad school was brought up and A went into the work I did. I wanted to get off of the subject matter because I considered it a personal failure for not following through with me plans and instead took a cash out. I went to explain that I also had to teach at a local community college to make extra money for child support. My research stipend was fine for me but not to share. I was asked what I taught and I told the group that I taught classes in zen Buddhism which had nothing to do with my research but was something I practiced at the time and I did have a BA in Philosophy with a focus on the eastern stuff. While, A just about wanted to blow me at this point! I mean the guy was looking at me in amazement. Again, feeding my ego is a good thing right?!?

Anyway, I told them (with focus on him) that I also developed a few other classed that were actually pretty popular. One had to do with the convergence of eastern mysticism and the 'new' physics which was titled 'The Quantum Buddha' and the other a course in Biogenisis - the very Beginnings of Life. At this point some of my buds had lost interest (especially J - the nuke officer - he had no time or interest in such frivolous pursuits!) and G was scanning the bar for the next honey, but A was mesmerized. I went on to share some ideas I had about how I though that the true beginning didn't start in the oceans, establishing a polymerization path for the basics of a self-replicating molecule in a saline or even pure aqueous solution was not easy. Those reactions are step-growth IMO and require metal catalysts. Condensation and emulsion reactions can be done in such solutions and maybe chain growth reactions and even proteins but what was required was something to be developed prior, a semectic structured liquid crystalline outer layer and a different ordered inner but the best (easiest) way would be through what is know as solid state polymerization which at the time bio folks didn't really know anything about.

So by this time A is blown away. He said "how do you know this stuff?" I told him that when I was in grad school I was dating a girl at the med school and we would spend a ton of time in the library. I read a bunch because I wanted to hang with her but she had to study. This was before the internet really made this stuff easy and books and journals were the way of the day.

So he says "So you think life began in the Earth and not the oceans or tide pools?" Well, the very start but I told him that eventually the reactions needed energy and an aquas environment provided more mobility and greater access to hydrocarbons which are good sources of energy, couple that with the high degree for radiation like the UV, gamma, and cosmic that would enter through the atmosphere of a young world and while the majority of that energy would cleave the shyt out of a molecule, a small percentage would actually add in the complicated synthesis route needed. Now mind you, it would take zillions of failed reactions to produce one that worked but time and resources were on a young Earths side. But the very start - the 'biogenisis' might have been in a solid state - maybe clay?

So for the nest several months he would ask about all sorts of stuff along these lines. I told him were to find some of the research that was going on at CalTech and MIT and he was really into it.

I never really gave this any thought until I started to reflect last night on A and my interactions with him in an attempt to see if there were any tell tale signs. Outside of his amazing curiosity he was fine. I just wish he vetted the ideas and concepts against empirical science. I have whack ideas but upon researching out the idea and applying what I have learned about the fundamentals helps me vett out the junk from the possible to the probable.

Maybe that is were he went wrong?

Sheesh. I've seen the documentary "Moon". Everyone knows it's just one guy with a computer (and a hologram) that control the machines that mine the minerals on the Moon.

Interesting comments, but to address just the OP's comments, I would suggest that you do not mess with him.

As Tabs mentioned in one of his posts, his mental state could cause an unexpected reaction that no one wants to happen. Clearly, by the account posted, he appears to need professional mental health care, not input from friends that plays into his delusions--that would only confirm his world view. Delusions are real to the deluded.

He needs help, but as an adult that is not a danger to himself or to others (as far as we know), there is no way to force him to get the help. If these delusions are in the forefront of his consciousness--meaning he dwells on them nearly all the time and his life revolves around them--his situation, mentally, looks grim. The comment about his wife leaving him seems to be for that very reason.

Hey Lubey,

Here's an observation (A) and some advice (B):

A. You're playing with Fire

B. It will burn you, eventually. Dilllusional people are unpredictable people.

Point - like a mean dog, best to leave well enough alone and make sure the owner is at least aware of the situation. I'm not a pro at the mental health stuff and I stay at Marriotts and Hiltons not Holiday Inns so I am not at all qualified.

Just have to say...

My brother that is into that stuff is not real smart. He is very gullible to believe anything that says there is a conspiracy to keep it secret or stop it. The fact they say there is a conspiracy validates whatever it is. And it's not just off world military, slaves or mining and/or extraterrestrials. It also includes unapproved "natural" medications, "free" power sources, government control of historical facts and finding, the secret base found under Antartica, some group being out to get them, and more. Basically all the stuff these people tend to put in a Manifesto. These Manifestos end up being their justification for anti-social or immoral actions.

The reason I recommended the Urantia book is that it seems include the conspiracy logic if not the things theorised themselves and is basically teaching there is a God over all of it, and what they do to/for others matters in their next life and they should strive be and do good things.

Urantia has a lot of on-line training that requires the students to write papers on the ideas presented. It seems to aim the students thought away from creating an anti-social and/or immoral Manifesto.

This is just what I see happening to an older brother.

What Do You Do When A Friend Goes Dillusional?
 

Go to PPOT and write way too much detail about it?
You can't reason with crazy. I would pray for him and avoid him until sanity returns.

actually north fla and the rest of the southern area are far worse for fundies
then locally and the more rural the more fundies and local control by fundies too
often all over the rural south

the way I see it both believers in very unlikely things like satan.gods or space slaves
are about the same level of delusions esp if they act on those delusions a lot
as nether is likely to have a live and let live outlook about their delusions
but are far more likely to be obsessed by such belief and there for act in odd ways
because of them

:rolleyes:

So how old was he when you had that conversation? The delusions are just manifestations of deeper issues.

Lots of times the delusions give order or a rationale to a disordered or chaotic state.

Btw my last sentence is a money shot sentence.

I'm not a medical professional but deal with clients daily who are being treated for mental health and co-occurring disorder (mental health and chemical dependency). Your friend needs help, not someone messing with him. He either is suffering from serious mental health issues or has early onset dementia, which I've also seen first hand. As someone said, there is no way to force someone not presenting as a danger to self or others to seek treatment, but the wife or a family member may be able to get him to be assessed. This may already have happened and you just don't know without checking with the wife.

I dated a gal close to 10 years back who's father started having symptoms in his fifties. His personality changed, started craving sweets, etc. Within a few short years he was committed to the state mental hospital with all reality gone. He was relatively young and strong which was a bad combination. It's one thing for a frail 85 year old to lose touch with reality. It's another for a guy in his fifties who worked as a logger and can tear sinks off of the wall and attack the nurses with it.

If you want to do something productive and helpful, check with the wife or another family member and see what has been done already.

The he11 you say. I have done it, to the amazement of the shrinks, who asked how I did it. You just have to translate crazy into English.

The nutzo's are working off of some kind of rational that is uniquely their own, you just have to find what it is to get inside of their special world.

As far as awareness goes people (like yourselves) are still at the burning of witches stage of enlightenment. In other words you are practicing hoodoo science. Let us get out youe cauldron of Bat wings and eye of the newt bubbling stew....

You folks are so deaf dumb and blind that you could wake up one morning and not even realize that all your furniture had be rearranged during the night. Old Charlie and his merry band of murderers according to the Bug in "Helter Skeltor"would break into peoples houses at night and do just that while they were asleep, they would call it "Kreepy Crawling."

And you have your own bugs in the attic..in other words your foaming at the mouth diatribes are indicative of some unresolved issues that does not allow you to let go of.

read about ''the children of god and their leader moses david

those fools got some of my relatives for a while

all religions are cults inc yours
sure some are less evil then others so what
all god bothered people are delusional
tali-ban or fundie christians here they have a very similar program
and they don't like to be questioned let alone told they are WRONG