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Por_sha911 12-08-2017 10:55 AM

Did McCartney die in 1966 or was it planned?
 
Recently Ringo has said that they covered up his death. In the past Paul admitted it was an elaborate hoax done by the band. There ain't no way all the clues were coincidence.

Let It Be:
"Let It Be" The phrase "Let It Be," played backward, becomes "He is dead."

Abbey Road:
-28IF
-The walk across by the Minister, mortician, dead man (Paul: eyes closed, barefoot, cigarette in wrong hand, and out of step with the other 3) and grave digger
-dots make a 3 next to word Beatles

White Album:
-"Glass Onion" "Here's another clue for you all, the Walrus was Paul." The Walrus is considered a symbol of death by some people.
-"I'm So Tired" The gibberish at the end, when played backward, becomes "Paul is dead, man, miss him, miss him."
-"Don't Pass Me By" Ringo sings "You were in a car crash / And you lost your hair."
-Song played just before Revolution #9 but lyrics not on liner notes:
Can you take me back where I came from?
Can you take me back?
Can you take me back where I came from?
Brother can you take me back?
-"Revolution #9" The repeated phrase "Number nine," when played backward, becomes "turn me on, dead man." There's also a lot of recorded conversation in this music-free track, much of which has been taken by listeners as clues to Paul's crash and death: "his voice was low and his eyes were high and his eyes were closed" and "his legs were drawn, his hands were tied, his feet were bent and his head was on fire and his glasses were insane. This was the end of his audience," and "My wings are broken and so is my hair. I'm not in the mood for wearing clothing." You can also hear the crash, a fire, sirens, and screaming "Get me out."

Magical Mystery Tour:
-"I buried Paul" in Strawberry Fields Forever
-"I am the Walrus" The chanting at the end, when played backward, reveals the chanted phrase "Paul is dead! Ha ha!" (Paul dresses as a walrus in Sgt Peppers).

Sgt Peppers:
-A funeral and a new band being introduced with Billy Shears (the Paul replacement)
-left handed bass in hyacinths
-hand over Paul's head - blessing after death
-Paul the only one facing forward instead of angled
-“LONELY HEARTS” written across the center of the bass drum, mirror image you see “IONEIX HE<>DIE”. When arranged as “I ONE IX HE <> DIE,” this image suggests the date (11-9, or November 9, 1966)
-Paul has patch OPD - officially pronounced dead
-Paul facing backward back on photo with lyrics and the words "Without you" right after his head
-“A Day in the Life” John sings ominously of a car crash. “He blew his mind out in a car/He hadn’t noticed that the lights had changed/A crowd of people stood and stared/They’d seen his face before/Nobody was really sure if he was from the House of Lords”.
-"Good Morning, Good Morning" - The phrases "nothing to do to save his life," "and you're on your own you're in the street," "people running around it's 5 o'clock," and "watching the skirts you start to flirt, now you're in gear" are all details of the crash. the time of the crash matches that in "She's Leaving Home."

Crowbob 12-08-2017 11:00 AM

No.

But not isn't Paul with Wings like Angel after?

pwd72s 12-08-2017 11:05 AM

Illustrates the staying power of the Beatles that we would be discussing this 56 years later. If it was a fraud, sure was a well planned one.

svandamme 12-08-2017 11:49 AM

good thing the stand in is so talented and can hold his own with a bass guitar

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nota 12-08-2017 11:56 AM

LOL

elvis is alive and seen often
[ never mind there are 1000's of impersonators ]

so are jim and janus but they hide better

Chocaholic 12-08-2017 12:06 PM

I remember being transfixed by this as a kid. Brings back fond memories. And yes, amazing we are talking about it now.

GH85Carrera 12-08-2017 12:10 PM

There is a lot of "clues" but that fact the Paul is still preforming his replacement must have been better than the original.

It would be interesting to hear Paul talk about it now. It had to be just one more gimmick to keep the band talked about.

enzo1 12-08-2017 12:17 PM

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Por_sha911 12-08-2017 12:19 PM

I tend to agree that it was a very well planned hoax but I remember when the expose first came out it was very compelling. The theory was that there was so much money involved that the label and band could afford to find a doppelganger who could play well, write music, and then do surgery to complete the look. There are far better bass players than Paul but my question is how many people can write music that endures 50+ years and is played in multiple genres?

Of course, we need to remember that conspiracy theorists say we didn't land on the moon, Obama wasn't a US citizen and that Trump colluded with the Russians.

hardflex 12-08-2017 12:41 PM

I've watched many Beatles interviews on YouTube, even listened to R#9 backwards on my LP, listened to all the clues. When did Ringo say they covered up his death? I would imagine if true that would be huge news. The Beatles are huge, when they broke up it was headlines all over the world. A statement like that by Ringo would still be headlines today.

My instincts tell me there were a few coincidences that were woven into a story by a radio personality, an Alex Jones of Music, if you will, and it got play around the world.

tabs 12-08-2017 12:52 PM

The only thing Paul ever did was yesterday...

Por_sha911 12-08-2017 12:54 PM

Former Beatle Ringo Starr Claims the “Real” Paul McCartney Died in 1966 and Was Replaced by Look-Alike
Paul McCartney Refutes Ringo Starr’s Allegations that He Died in 1966

Either fake news or they got together to keep the joke going.

nota 12-08-2017 01:03 PM

ed's beatles tv show second appearance on The Ed Sullivan Show was from Miami on February 16, 1964. The performance was done live from their hotel in Miami Beach, Florida. Prior to the performance, The Beatles played to a live audience during the afternoon at the hotel. Then at 8:00 p.m., they played The Ed Sullivan Show live, via satellite.

link to above quote and more
http://onabbeyroad.com/sullivan2.htm

somebody started a rumor I had tickets to this gig
I was 13 in junior high in miami [coral gables]
suddenly every girl in the school wanted to go to the show
truth was I had no tickets or even knew there was to be a show
so as a stupid 13er I said I have no idea there is to be a show no tickets or anything
look back I bet I could of played that a bit better
likely a lot better as the girls were total nuts about the beatles then

URY914 12-08-2017 01:13 PM

And this was all carried out pre-interwebs. :eek:

hardflex 12-08-2017 01:24 PM

I suspect that Ringo link is fake news click bait. It worked. Were it real, I promise it would be HUGE!

Ran across these guys a few weeks ago. If you're a real Beatles fan you can appreciate this I promise !


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Ayles 12-08-2017 01:28 PM

Great conspiracy documentary.

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Por_sha911 12-08-2017 01:43 PM

When I look at the volume and complexity of the whole thing I am blown away with how well it was done 50 years ago! Layers and layers of little things. Talk about creative. Or, there is that nagging question as to why the flag on the moon is moving even though there is no wind...

aschen 12-08-2017 02:14 PM

the beatles have so many innovations to their credit, I think they invented trolling before the internet.

72doug2,2S 12-08-2017 07:58 PM

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GWN7 12-08-2017 08:13 PM

He sure looked alive the last time I saw him play.

ossiblue 12-09-2017 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Por_sha911 (Post 9841869)

Though the website that is linked to the story is recent, the Ringo and McCartney "interviews" are fake and from 2015. The "news" source for the interviews is akin to The Onion and specifically states that it is "for entertainment purposes only."

Absolutely fake news.

Por_sha911 12-09-2017 09:11 AM

Well there you have it-fake news (on the accepted authority of ossiblue's research).
Even though Paul is really Paul and not Billy or Faul, I still am blown away by the way they wove such a case that half the world were tearing up their albums and needles playing stuff backwards and many believed he really had died.

ossiblue 12-09-2017 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Por_sha911 (Post 9842590)
Well there you have it-fake news (on the accepted authority of ossiblue's research).
Even though Paul is really Paul and not Billy or Faul, I still am blown away by the way they wove such a case that half the world were tearing up their albums and needles playing stuff backwards and many believed he really had died.

Fixed it for ya:D.

AFC-911 12-09-2017 09:51 AM

The real McCartney would have never written that POS Christmas song!

scottmandue 12-09-2017 10:37 AM

Yes, Paul died in 1966... but captain James T Kirk flew the enterprise back in time then Dr. McCoy used their future medical technology to bring him back to life. All that because Spock was a huge Beatles fan.

flatbutt 12-09-2017 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottmandue (Post 9842718)
Yes, Paul died in 1966... but captain James T Kirk flew the enterprise back in time then Dr. McCoy used their future medical technology to bring him back to life. All that because Spock was a huge Beatles fan.

^thisSmileWavy

sammyg2 12-09-2017 11:51 AM

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rcooled 12-09-2017 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Por_sha911 (Post 9841816)
I tend to agree that it was a very well planned hoax...

Quote:

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 9841807)
It had to be just one more gimmick to keep the band talked about.

I really don't think that the band had much to do with creating, or helping to propagate, the hoax that Paul was dead. They were probably quite amused by the whole thing as being just another example of the insatiable curiosity that was focused on them. There was an unprecedented hysteria that surrounded the Beatles when they became a sensation in Britain in 1962-63. No one had ever seen anything on a scale like this before, not even with Elvis.
People poured over every scrap of information they could find on the Beatles in hopes of learning something new about them...yes, even playing their records backwards in an effort to find hidden messages. One rumor fed off another until the whole crazy story took on a life of its own.
Recording and touring occupied almost every waking moment of the Beatles' lives in the early '60s. I doubt they had enough spare time at that point to sit down and hatch some elaborate plan just to F'k with people's heads.

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scottmandue 12-09-2017 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GWN7 (Post 9842283)
He sure looked alive the last time I saw him play.

Amazing what they are doing with robots these days! :D

Por_sha911 12-09-2017 07:58 PM

I agree that Beatlemania was very powerful but, look at the list of things that were put into places over numerous albums. Some are prolly just coincidence but there is way too much to just be accident. Past the early years, the Beatles had a massive amount of artistic control over their albums. No way the label snuck in that much stuff.

scottmandue 12-09-2017 09:40 PM

And I'm certain Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds was a drawing by John's daughter, where do people come up with these wacky ideas?

https://youtu.be/K-yx1XV9dqc

sc_rufctr 12-09-2017 10:43 PM

The Beetles? Overrated...

Elvis is The King!

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rcooled 12-10-2017 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Por_sha911 (Post 9843212)
...look at the list of things that were put into places over numerous albums. Some are prolly just coincidence but there is way too much to just be accident.

Those 'clues' in the first post are pretty obscure and just reaching for something that really isn't there. People WANTED to believe these rumors, so they saw 'evidence' where there was none and turned random bits of trivia into 'proof' that Paul was dead. Kind of like seeing the Virgin Mary's image in a slice of toast, or thinking that every unidentifiable light in the night sky is an extraterrestrial space ship.


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Por_sha911 12-10-2017 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcooled (Post 9843824)
Those 'clues' in the first post are pretty obscure and just reaching for something that really isn't there.

Whatever.

winders 12-11-2017 12:30 AM

The world is flat and we faked the moon landings too.....

berettafan 12-11-2017 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tabs (Post 9841866)
The only thing Paul ever did was yesterday...

well now I don't like you.


i'll take one great Wings song over the entire solo catalog of the other three. John was the only other one that did anything worth hearing.

Heel n Toe 12-11-2017 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcooled (Post 9843824)

Wow... so those concert goers had to sit through four other performances before the Fab Four came out?

I wonder if there was any whining and booing. Surely someone here was at that concert.

sammyg2 12-11-2017 01:16 PM

I saw Paul's robot replacement perform in November 2005 at the arrowhead pond/Honda center/place in Anaheim where the ducks play.
Darn good performance, prolly the best I've ever seen.
They've done wonders with animatronics.

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sammyg2 12-11-2017 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heel n Toe (Post 9844928)
Wow... so those concert goers had to sit through four other performances before the Fab Four came out?

I wonder if there was any whining and booing. Surely someone here was at that concert.

They'd have to be an old fart. That was over 52 years ago.

Heel n Toe 12-11-2017 01:22 PM

We've got old farts here. I would've been there if I could've.


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