When may we discuss Star Wars?

[azstrashno]

I'm here not for a serious discussion, I just wanted to say that I absolutely loved the movie.

[john70t]

Originally Posted by Khal

This was a steaming pile of **** because....

I've made some good rants before but was always a little ashamed afterwards.
That...that..was amazing.

[ckissick]

Not one arm or hand was cut off. What's up with that?

[Deschodt]

I saw it for the third time (!), not voluntarily (once for me, once with/for the kids, this time as a work team outing)

I have to say in Imax 3D, it is a *hell* of a lot more impressive... I suspect that rebel general lady with a huge nose was hired just for 3D purposes ;-) Seriously the space stuff was amazing, and I normally hate 3D.

There are a lot of plot holes and I slept thru the entire Casino side story (again!) but really, it's not bad... Some of you are really hard to please... The lack of Jar Jar bings alone gets it a pass !

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by ckissick

Not one arm or hand was cut off. What's up with that?

I was jus' happy they didn't blow up another damn death star.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by Deschodt

... I suspect that rebel general lady with a huge nose was hired just for 3D purposes ;-)
!

She was quite the hottie in yer yoot.

[LEAKYSEALS951]

While watching the movie, I was thinking how cool it was the hunger games characters were in charge of the rebel fleet.

[Deschodt]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

She was quite the hottie in yer yoot.

Not her.... one of her underlings, giant schnoz...

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1054648/

[sammyg2]

O.
I. C.

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by scottmandue

The man has a point!

I skimmed over an article by some rabid Star War freak... went on for pages about historic gaps in the story-line, philosophical differences with 'the force' in this movie Vs the original movies... blah, blah, blah...

It is just a move after all, can we really expect continuity from a move series that started in 1977?

I do hate the porgs thou...

Edit to add what the heck was up with Luke milking the sea cow?? What did that have to do with anything?

It's a thing about the color of the milk Luke drinks. It varies from movie to movie.

[legion]

Just saw it. My thoughts:

I think some of the details, like the "maintenance crew" and the "sea cow" were there to answer questions like "how did the Jedi temple not fall apart after thousands of years" and "how did Luke survive on an isolated island".

I think the whole casino scene was there to contrast the wealthy gamblers with the poor, abused "bunny jockeys"--those profiting from war versus those suffering from it. And to foreshadow from where the future resistance will come.

Poe probably had the most character development of the movie. He went from "shoot from the hip" to a little wiser.

Rey is only slightly less confused about who she is. She seems to have mastered the force. She did have the books on the Millennium Falcon.

I don't think Finn was trying to run when he met Rose. I think he was going to find Rey.

I also thought that Holdo should have fled with the resistance and Leia should have sacrificed herself. "Let the past die. Kill it, if you have to."

Luke regretted unintentionally creating Kylo Ren. From the moment he realized that Ren was a monster, he became unhinged. In a moment of weakness, he considered snuffing out Ren before he did damage. Then he retreated into his own self-loathing and doubt. He realizes that the force is not the plaything of the Jedi: they don't own it. It belongs to everyone. There was a character in Rogue One that foreshadowed this. He was not a Jedi but he was effective in using the force without training.

Which brings me to my final thought: There can be no darkness without the light. There can be no light without the darkness.If the Jedi exist, the Sith rise to oppose them. If the Sith exist, the Jedi rise to oppose them. Maybe the resolution is the end of them both?

[Pazuzu]

Even the movie titles are important. "The Force Awakens" and "The Last Jedi" are not mutually exclusive, as many would think.
The force awakening is the awakening in the populous, the transfer of power from the Jedi (who were, for all intents, the Intellectual Upper Class found in many ancient societies, aloof and immune from the day to day life of everyone else, even more powerful and influential than the local heads of state) to the common man.

Think of the Priests were held in such regard because they made sure that they were the only ones who could read Latin, therefore could be the only ones to read the Bible, and therefore were held above even the king himself in authority. The Jedi were those priests, and are now loosing that grip on Authority because the rabble have been given the gift of Sight, the chance to read the Bible themselves.

Hell, if anything, you could see Kylo Ren as Martin Luther. He is one of the Elite, but is trying to break down the barriers separating the holy Elite from the rabble.

And, the more I write about this, the more this becomes a giant Religious analogy (even more so than the normal "The Force is the Holy Spirit" simple one that's been around since day one). The Rebels even hole up in a cave and see the Ghost of Skywalker, I'm sure that was written about somewhere in one of the many holy texts laying around this planet.

We should run with this, expand on the general religious analogy of the movies. Instead of whining about strong women in movie roles, of course...

Dammit, did I just PARF this thread up accidentally?

[LEAKYSEALS951]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

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Dammit, did I just PARF this thread up accidentally?

No, but you did confirm yourself as a star wars geek for writing that.

I admittedly am a geek. While reading some uber geek criticisms of the movie the other week after watching it, the super geeks had two good points that I hadn't thought of.

1. Like legion mentioned, It would have been best for leia to drive the good guy ship into the bad guy ship herself, yet they didn't know she was going to die at the time, so that wasn't a possibility , so they had the hunger games girl do it as originally intended. Even so, it would have been better for Admiral Ackbar to do it 1000x than needlessly inserting/killing off a new character

2. Starships running out of fuel and slowing down. Everyone in geekworld was busting on the ships losing momentum after running empty on fuel, yet one person pointed out that as long as the engines were on, the ships were constantly accelerating, and when one would run out of fuel , it would cease to accelerate as the bad guy ship continued to accelerate behind it.
I had forgotten that simple physics tidbit, but I don't think the story writers were aware of it either. They get off the hook by serendipity. Still lazy story line for this caliber movie with several other BIG oversights that makes chase scene lazy.

Thats all I have energy to type.

[svandamme]

a weak character no less

[vash]

Did George Lucas comment anywhere?

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

Dammit, did I just PARF this thread up accidentally?

Here let me help...

"Hell, if anything, you could see Kylo Ren as Trump. He is one of the Elite"

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by LEAKYSEALS951

No, but you did confirm yourself as a star wars geek for writing that.

1. Like legion mentioned, It would have been best for leia to drive the good guy ship into the bad guy ship herself, yet they didn't know she was going to die at the time, so that wasn't a possibility , so they had the hunger games girl do it as originally intended. Even so, it would have been better for Admiral Ackbar to do it 1000x than needlessly inserting/killing off a new character

2. Starships running out of fuel and slowing down. Everyone in geekworld was busting on the ships losing momentum after running empty on fuel, yet one person pointed out that as long as the engines were on, the ships were constantly accelerating, and when one would run out of fuel , it would cease to accelerate as the bad guy ship continued to accelerate behind it.
I had forgotten that simple physics tidbit, but I don't think the story writers were aware of it either. They get off the hook by serendipity. Still lazy story line for this caliber movie with several other BIG oversights that makes chase scene lazy.

I also fully expected Leia to drive the ship into the bad guys... it would have made a much better story and much more in character than for Leia to stand by and let one of her Admirals bite the bullet.

Starships running out of fuel, isn't fair to assume in the future starship will have some kind of self sustaining power supply?

[john70t]

Originally Posted by LEAKYSEALS951

2. Starships running out of fuel and slowing down.

Propulsion should only operate and occur when accelerating or altering trajectory.
'Engines' would have no sound, no oxygen flame (then they would run out), and probably emit invisible particles.
The ship would have tons of solar panels at least for backup unless the portable energy source was unlimited.

The series is probably gonna need one or two .cgi episodes to explain why Heroes Of The Alliance Han Solo and Leia Skywalker split...on good terms...and why both knowingly decided to completely abandon their brat to the dark side.
Big big plot stretch there.
No way that is going to make sense.
But people will debate about it.

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by john70t

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The series is probably gonna need one or two .cgi episodes to explain why Heroes Of The Alliance Han Solo and Leia Skywalker split....

Leia caught Han fooling around with Chewbacca? they were along on the millennium falcon for a loooong time.

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by scottmandue

leia caught han fooling around with chewbacca? They were along on the millennium falcon for a loooong time.

ew ew ew!