KIA bringing it
 

Have to say the Korean brands, Hyundai, KIA, have really been upping their game.

Hyundai with their Genesis line now KIA drops the Stinger.

0-60 in 4.4

365 HP

167 MPH

Twin Turbo RWD Coupe all starting at $32k.

https://jalopnik.com/the-2018-kia-stinger-gt-is-the-real-deal-1822643041

Seems like that price is a little high. I paid $29k for a Mustang GT with 435 hp that handles better than a well-set up 944 (and I should know).

Yeah but the Stinger is a 5 door and goes around corners.

Saw a Stinger in a parking lot yesterday. Nice looking ride! I have liked the Genesis line and will probably grab one when I see a good used AWD pop up. I think Genesis just started building AWD so I'll have to wait a little while.

I recently had a Kia Optima as a rental. Nice car. Peppy turbo engine, build quality was very good. Gas mileage was amazing.

I often rent a car from FLL to EYW (or back) ..... I always ask for the Hyundai. Comfortable and excellent mpg.

I saw that kia stinger commercial, did you read the fine print?





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I'm no fan of Asian cars but Hyundai and Kia have done a very good job with the styling of their cars. A few years ago their target was Toyota - both benchmarked styling. performance and handling - they offer an excellent warranty too.

The local Kia dealership has cured me of EVER owning a Kia. For the last 7 years, he has mass marketed his dealership on every local radio, and TV station with multiple annoyingly loud commercials every 1/2 hour. They must be selling a lot of cars to the sheep, because that must be a YUGE advertising budget. I don't personally know anyone who has bought one....I'll stick with Ford.

BTW, with it's new 4 wheel independant suspension, I would match a similar HP Mustang to a Stinger any day, on any track. Weight might be the only drawback, but I just bet the Stinger couldn't run away from a V6 Mustang.

Twin Turbo models start at $40K

AWD Base
Intercooled Turbo Premium Unleaded I-4, 2.0 L,All Wheel Drive
MSRP $ 34,100

AWD GT
Twin Turbo Premium Unleaded V-6, 3.3 L,All Wheel Drive
MSRP $ 40,550


AWD GT1
Twin Turbo Premium Unleaded V-6, 3.3 L,All Wheel Drive
MSRP $ 45,450


AWD GT2
Twin Turbo Premium Unleaded V-6, 3.3 L,All Wheel Drive
MSRP $ 51,400

AWD Premium
Intercooled Turbo Premium Unleaded I-4, 2.0 L,All Wheel Drive
MSRP $ 39,300


RWD Base
Intercooled Turbo Premium Unleaded I-4, 2.0 L,Rear Wheel Drive
MSRP $ 31,900

RWD GT
Twin Turbo Premium Unleaded V-6, 3.3 L,Rear Wheel Drive
MSRP $ 38,350

RWD GT1
Twin Turbo Premium Unleaded V-6, 3.3 L,Rear Wheel Drive
MSRP $ 43,250


RWD GT2
Twin Turbo Premium Unleaded V-6, 3.3 L,Rear Wheel Drive
MSRP$ 49,200


RWD Premium
Intercooled Turbo Premium Unleaded I-4, 2.0 L,Rear Wheel Drive
MSRP $ 37,100

I can remember when "made in japan" was an insult.
Things changed, they got better, their products eventually became top of the heap in quality (and in many cases, price).
Then the Koreans started making stuff and it wasn't that great.
Note that I am NOT talking about just cars here, i'm talking all sorts of electronics, industrial equipment, tooling etc.
Then it started getting better and better, now it's almost as good as the Japanese stuff.

So what's next?

IN 10 or 15 years or so we'll prolly be talking about how good the Chinese cars are and how much they've improved.

That dealer can't be much worse than Camacho auto sales in Palmdale ca ...


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Very, very similar with a lot of the wording the same, but usually uses former presidents arguing with each other, or a high pitched male (female?) voice getting louder with each word. Taylor Kia in Findlay Ohio.

Not a car dealer, but I know who's going to work on my transmisssion next... :-)

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You wouldn't buy a certain brand car because the dealer has a stupid commercial on the radio?

Tell you the truth, I secretly want to buy one of those KIA instead of a Panamara. Well, Lexus, Infinity then the one of those KIA. I have no idea how many models they make, but on the used market, its a bang up deal. I rather fix that KIA then for the Panamara

With a 10 year 100k powertrain and 5 year 60 k bumper to bumper makes used a no brainer

Looks nice but I wonder if they considered how close the name Stinger is to Stinker.

and I bet that thing will out last that 100k trouble free then the Panamara all day til' Sunday. Yep, for a daily driver, no brainer

Why is that important? I know, I know, name means lots to most people. Hell, I could care less what the name is as long as it goes and doesn't leave me stranded on the side of the road

"I wanna see ya... in a Kia" The guy was from Van Wert originally.

I don't think the 10/100 transfers to the second owner.

No, I will never buy a Kia, or any other Korean car. I have had many Japenese cars, currently own 4 German cars, but prefer Ford. No apology, just won't ever buy Korean !

The commercials just annoy the hell out of me, and makes me not want to visit.

Just clicked on the thread and on your link - well - that is one ugly car, IMHO.

Nothing personal!

They don't make 'em like they used to - regardless of all the bells and whistles....they still look like doo doo.....sorry! SmileWavy

YEP, that's the guy......you can have him back !

A guy i carpool with has one of them Kia hamster-wagons, the Kia soul.

I was totally surprised how much room there is in that thing and how comfortable it is. The ride is pretty good for a small car and it doesn't rattle or buzz. Much.
I'm not considering buying a kia soul but don't mind riding in one, especially if someone else is paying for the gas.
I like it a hundred times more than the POS nissan sentra my wife bought for our daughter, who gave it to my son when my wife gave her a murano, which she traded in on a lexus.

Just checked.

Yup, you're right.

That sucks.

I was going to buy a Soul for one of my kids. I was surprised they started out at around 15K IIRC. Seems like a lot of car for the money.

Good thing you didn't...it wouldn't have lasted...

Then yer kid has to sell their Soul ;)

LOL.

Kia and Hyundai are no longer "nice for the money", they are simply nice cars. I travel a lot for work and will pick a Kia or Hyundai over a Toyota any day of the week, they have nicer interiors and are nicer to drive. We had a 2017 Toyota Sienna XLE AWD that we bought from my parents and hated it, minimal and poorly designed features, cheaply made, poorly finished, just a crappy van all around. We tested all of the van options before buying a Ford Flex instead, and our favorite of the bunch was the Kia Sedona. Not being the type that cares about brand cachet, we would have absolutely bought one.

The Stinger is a great looking car but still uniquely styled, which hasn't been the case with past Korean cars. They are finally moving past the "me too" styling and developing their own design language, which is good. Kia hired the Audi design chief away from them 5-ish years ago and you can definitely see some Audi in their designs, particularly inside.

For me because I don't buy brand new cars, I would like to see how these Korean cars age or how they stand up to after 8 years, this includes the styling.

I just bought a '98 SL500 and to me that car is so beautiful for a 20 year old car that I paid less than the price of a Hyundai Accent.

I rented out a KIA Soul when I took a trip to Western NC to view the Eclipse.

Not a bad car, plenty of room and handled very well on the mountain roads going up the 8 mile logging trail on the side of one of the mountains, reminded me of one of the "death Highway" videos, no guardrail on the side of the road:eek: Zero rattles and the transmission did a great job selecting the correct gears going up the twisty roads.

Seats were decent and my back was not hurting me after the 12 hour drive back home It should have been 4 1/2 hour drive but a Semi plunged off the road just past Black Mountain on I-40 so we were sitting in gridlock for a long time.

Much better then the Hyundai's I have rented out over the years.

I wonder what the residual will be for a Stinger after 3 years?

That one actually made me laugh out loud. I can't believe that never crossed my mind. I'm a little disappointed in myself.

Good in a straight line but from what i have read the Genesis and Stinger have a long way to go in the suspension/handling department.

I think from a quality standpoint, just as well as anything else. From a styling standpoint they'll age as well as most appliance cars, quickly forgotten when the next new model comes out. But most appliance car buyers aren't cross shopping 20 year old Mercedes coupes.;)

The Genesis is really a different niche, more of a Lexus LS on a budget. I've read several comparisons between the Stinger and European sport sedans and it sounds like unless you are really hustling the Stinger, like on a track, then they are very comparable. For most people that will be more than enough, and the Stinger offers more equipment and power for less money.

First Look at Hyundai's 2019 Santa Fe ...
 

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They've been poaching Mercedes and BMW people too...

A good friend of mine bought a used Hyundai 7 or 8 years ago, I think it might be an elantra.
At the time i remembered thinking that it would be worn out and broken down before he ever paid it off.

He's got well over 200k miles on it now and it just keeps going.
I'm surprised how well it has stood up.
The most miles I have ever put on as vehicle was 150k on a chebby silverado, so 200k seems like a go-zillion to me.

I looking real hard at getting a Genesis coupe.

There is a list but the Genesis is close to the top.

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I think it does if you buy CPO from a dealer.