6801 Paint Code formula

[BullStandsAlone]

My painter uses PPG paint. He is struggling to find the formula for 6801 slate gray. Any input or advice on where to find the formula? Thanks!

[962porsche]

he would have to call PPG and get the formula .
the problem with PPG and dupont is they lack so much info for euro car colors even the simple things like color matching totally sucks .
they are fine for old american cars and spraying there paints is fine but they fall real short with the rest of there paint systems .

[BullStandsAlone]

Thanks for the insight. My painter has worked on cars for over 30 years, but does a lot more American muscle stuff. Where would you recommend we source paint from?

[962porsche]

personally in my shops we use BASF products for a reason 1st is that's what the cars like porsche's benz ferrari and such used and then it's also very user friendly with very good tech support when and if needed .
i would check your area jobber to see if they carry glasurit .

[BullStandsAlone]

Thank you!

[BullStandsAlone]

962Porsche - I have a friend who does body and paint... over 30 years experience. He hasn't done much Porsche. He's resistant to single stage, as most hot rod and American muscle restorers see single as inferior. I'm looking for a good place to refer him to proper process for Glasurit single stage. He's very talented, and I'm confident the skill level is there... especially in prep.

Or would it be best to match up to PPG? Sorry for the questions... trying to make the right choice for my car. (For reference: My targa is quite modified, a barn find, and not going to be a stock queen. She'll get driven a lot).

[kevin930t]

I am with 962 only using Basf products.I can tell you that i also have been spraying basfs 90 line for the last 5 plus years and if you are looking to have the best products on your car this is what i would use.With waterborne products compared to solvent bacecoats the difference is drastic its like hd to 4k.Thwn folowed with glasuritt clear coat wich is 923-210.I hope this helps.Kevin

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[nathanbs]

Personally I think glasurit 90 line sucks. Literally. Lots of dieback as the basecoat continues to dry and sucks in well after you've clearcoated it. Clearcoat is terrible as well, very susceptible to "fisheyes" for no apparent reason. Switched to spies hecker clear and no more fisheyes! Weird. I fought that paint and BASF for about 5 years before they finally admitted it was them and not me. Apparently me and my customers were demanding more from their product then any other shop at the time. This is when the cars that were coming from the factory painted with Glasurit had major dieback. As far as single stage versus modern two stage there's absolutely no reason unless you want a paint job that's inferior in every way.

[kevin930t]

Nathanbs,i have not personally have had that problem but i have talked to some painters/shops that have had problems like you say.I know the products i use work for me and thats why i can give my customers a lifetime guarantee.Every shop is different being a restoration shop or commercial body shop.I mainly do restorations and some insurance work and using basf products i have not had any complaints from any of my customers.

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[nathanbs]

Spies Hecker is a superior product chemistry wise in my opinion but I cannot deal with their poor color matching technology so i'm thinking of giving Sikkens a whirl.

[kevin930t]

I have not tryed Sikkens but here good things about there clear coats not to sure about there bace coats,please let me know if you end up using them i would like to know what you think.Also i totally agree with u on the restoration side as i have been doing that now for quite awhile now and find myself struggling to stay ahead at times.

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[962porsche]

Originally Posted by nathanbs

Personally I think glasurit 90 line sucks. Literally. Lots of dieback as the basecoat continues to dry and sucks in well after you've clearcoated it. Clearcoat is terrible as well, very susceptible to "fisheyes" for no apparent reason. Switched to spies hecker clear and no more fisheyes! Weird. I fought that paint and BASF for about 5 years before they finally admitted it was them and not me. Apparently me and my customers were demanding more from their product then any other shop at the time. This is when the cars that were coming from the factory painted with Glasurit had major dieback. As far as single stage versus modern two stage there's absolutely no reason unless you want a paint job that's inferior in every way.

personally if you get die back with a product that is 100 fault of the painter not the product your painting .
i have said many times there is a different between a sprayer and painter .
any real painter knows what die back is from . the sprayers put the blame on the product .
i have been using 90 line and was one of the 1st shops in my state to install the system in my shop not once have we had die back from it .

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by 962porsche

personally if you get die back with a product that is 100 fault of the painter not the product your painting .
i have said many times there is a different between a sprayer and painter .
any real painter knows what die back is from . the sprayers put the blame on the product .
i have been using 90 line and was one of the 1st shops in my state to install the system in my shop not once have we had die back from it .

That is exactly what they insisted on for over two years until we went through every single possible correction and equipment upgrade at which point they said they discovered that several of their red and blue toners were defective and that it was indeed their fault. They compensated me for my trouble but I had had it with them with their bull**** blame game. I have cars that come to me from time to time that I did almost 10 years ago and the base is still soft. When did your state go water? Approx. what year? I'm a painter personally and I'm a science and math kinda guy so trust me this isn't a applicator situation but I am very familiar with the lack of painters in our industry. I'm on painter/applicator number four in 3 months. Can't find a guy that knows how to adjust color it's nuts. I've been back in the booth painting for the first time in almost 10 years

[962porsche]

O ok ????????

IT'S 100% THE SPRAYERS FAULT !
NOT LETTING A BASE COLOR FLASH OFF IS NEVER THE FAULT OF PRODUCT IT'S ALWAYS THE SPRAYER .
you have a pore hiding color any color and pork on base your going to get die back any real painter knows this .
it's called flash time .
has nothing to do with tints .

as for how long CT had to change to water .
we were the 2nd state having to do so 6 months after CAL. what was 20 years ago or more .
so long ago i forgot the year .
cal and CT have the same or close to the same VOC laws so we are both in the same boat .

no matter what! to much to fast to soon will give you die back and is not the fault of the product !

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by 962porsche

O ok ????????

What's that about? Not capable of having an adult conversation?
What year approx are we talking that you converted to water? Maybe we were a little ahead of year and the problem was already mitigated for the most part before you converted?
Keep in mind this is also when both Mercedes and BMW were having dieback at the factory level. I have a 2015 BMW 3 series in my shop right now with factory dieback.

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by 962porsche

O ok ????????

IT'S 100% THE SPRAYERS FAULT !
NOT LETTING A BASE COLOR FLASH OFF IS NEVER THE FAULT OF PRODUCT IT'S ALWAYS THE SPRAYER .
you have a pore hiding color any color and pork on base your going to get die back any real painter knows this .
it's called flash time .
has nothing to do with tints .

as for how long CT had to change to water .
we were the 2nd state having to do so 6 months after CAL. what was 20 years ago or more .
so long ago i forgot the year .
cal and CT have the same or close to the same VOC laws so we are both in the same boat .

no matter what! to much to fast to soon will give you die back and is not the fault of the product !

what do think makes up the color? The toners right? So what if they have toners that never properly dry no matter what you do? Lets say for example I put a problematic color un-clearcoated on the roof of my shop all summer long and after 3 months the base is still soft? Still the "sprayers" fault? Come on man don't be so close minded. P.S. No state was mandatory water until only 10-12 years ago. The waterborne paints that we are currently using are completely different now than even 5 years ago. With that said I'm sure 90-line is better now but I'll never forget how horrible their support was.

[962porsche]

you can try all you want to blame the product but in fact it's always the sprayers fault .
you as the sprayer ( not a painter) has to know 1st proper flash off times for the colors your spraying .
2nd you the sprayer has to know the proper tools you need and the use of them to get proper flash off between coats .
then how is it always a few that have a problem when i and other have no problem with the same products ?

i like that ! not until 10 12 years ago? Lol dam you nailed down what year it was didn't you !
like you know when each state made it mandatory to change to a water borne system .

you don't have to face facts and i will tell you your 100% right to end this pointless debate .

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by 962porsche

you can try all you want to blame the product but in fact it's always the sprayers fault .
you as the sprayer ( not a painter) has to know 1st proper flash off times for the colors your spraying .
2nd you the sprayer has to know the proper tools you need and the use of them to get proper flash off between coats .
then how is it always a few that have a problem when i and other have no problem with the same products ?

i like that ! not until 10 12 years ago? Lol dam you nailed down what year it was didn't you !
like you know when each state made it mandatory to change to a water borne system .

you don't have to face facts and i will tell you your 100% right to end this pointless debate .

Why would BASF admit fault and pay me a significant amount of money for my wasted materials and efforts if it was my fault? You think that you saying that "how come I didn't have a problem then" is a scientific conclusion? LOL man you need to wear a respirator, seriously.
In regards to waterborne rule, you said it yourself CA is first to always adopt the new environmental rules . We weren't mandatory until about 10-12 years ago. Go figure.
No idea why you felt the need to come on here chest thumping to try and tell me that my painter is the problem when I have factual evidence of it being otherwise. Get a life man.

[962porsche]

sure sure sure what ever
your sprayer is the best .
but the simple fact is die back is fault of the sprayer .

and sure sure 10 12 years sure sure LOL you nailed down that date to at the least two years plus minus .LOL

and they paid you too sure sure
but lest see we both use the same system and started at the same times but only you have problems and your the only one i know that does .
sure sure it's the product never us ! LOL

good god get a life dude !

debate a pointless point .

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by 962porsche

sure sure sure what ever
your sprayer is the best .
but the simple fact is die back is fault of the sprayer .

and sure sure 10 12 years sure sure LOL you nailed down that date to at the least two years plus minus .LOL

and they paid you too sure sure
but lest see we both use the same system and started at the same times but only you have problems and your the only one i know that does .
sure sure it's the product never us ! LOL

good god get a life dude !

debate a pointless point .

Anyways weirdo. Perhaps my customers and I are just pickier with the finish than you and yours. Perhaps I would not be happy with what you are claiming is without any problems. I see this time and time again, everyone claims they are perfect but under scrutiny its all junk or minimally significantly less than perfect. Well I answered that. Just took a look at your website. Don't i feel foolish. Have a nice day.