Originally Posted by Jonny042 (Post 10978371)

I have them and they are awesome. They have versions with the spindles raised 19mm, which is worth having IMO. They are a very tight fit for 15" Fuchs but doable.

The Pelican Forum search is horrible. Plain and simple. Use google, by putting this in the google search field:

site:forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/ kw v3

It will do wonders.

Originally Posted by Steve W (Post 10978733)

They are amazing. The adjustment range is way beyond what anyone could use. From super plush softer than Boge to teeth buzzing stiff. Even if you had the stiffest torsion bars, you'd still set them in the middle. They are noticeably shorter and combined with the raised spindle option you could lower the car way below Euro height and you'd still not hit the bump stops. If you combine them with the Rebel Racing RSR bushings, even if you install stiffer torsion bars such as 23/31s or 24/33s, the car will ride even smoother and more comfortable on the street than a stock suspension because of the elimination of the factory bushing friction, and the digressive valves and two way adjustability, you can match any spring rate and set to ride as you want.


You can spend a bunch of money on Bilsteins raising spindles, shortening them, custom valving, and you'd still not have what the KWs offer you. I like them so much I'd sell the modified Bilstein set on my other car to replace them. Anyways you can see them on my '86 if you're going to be running the POC San Pedro autocross tomorrow.


And regarding Rebel Racing, don't worry. Clint is slow because his parts and services are in demand more than he should handle but he will deliver.

Originally Posted by CBA (Post 11624395)

Bringing up an older post. Can these be installed on pre '74 cars? I'm not 100% sure what the differences are on the F Body cars versus the G Body's suspension wise.

Thank you

Originally Posted by Jonny042 (Post 11269312)

Just finished doing bumpsteer measurement and adjustment on the front end - been putting this off for a while but finally dug in.

What actually triggered the whole exercise is that I did a slight ride height adjustment in front, raising the ride height maybe 3/4". I measured the toe before and after and couldn't believe my eyes - I gained 3/16" of toe-in just raising the front that little bit!!

After finally settling on a front ride height of 151mm (measured the factory way but accounting for the 19mm raised spindles) I marked a line on the front bumper and backed the ride height adjustment so I could raise and lower the car around ride hieght and measure the toe changes.

I played with some pretty coarse adjustments and finally honed into doing 2mm of shim changes at a time. All I can say is WOW. A much smaller increment than I thought can make a measurable difference!!!

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The picture above shows all the shims in place during one of the "extreme" tests. Ultimately I ended up with 42mm being the magic number for total spacer height. My final check was to run the suspension through 2-1/2" of travel (1-1/4 above and below ride height) and have no measurable difference in toe.

Originally Posted by mar2mar (Post 11626689)

So with a bit of modifications, you can use the G-body version KW V3 with 19mm raised spindles on an F-body 911 w/ 15” wheels?

On their website I didn’t see a KW V3 for F-body with raised spindles.

Originally Posted by mar2mar (Post 11626689)

So with a bit of modifications, you can use the G-body version KW V3 with 19mm raised spindles on an F-body 911 w/ 15” wheels?

On their website I didn’t see a KW V3 for F-body with raised spindles.

Originally Posted by Jonny042 (Post 10632890)

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Without actually handling the bumpstops tat came with the V3 it's hard to tell how tall their effective height is, due to the integral dust shield. The top of the green tape represents the bottom of the bumpstop.

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There is a hard plastic spacer above the bumpstop, easily removed, to provide some much needed suspension travel:

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Originally Posted by Jonny042 (Post 11448324)

Once in a while a picture captures the subject perfectly - this shot does just that, gives exactly the right perspective that truly is a representation of what the car looks like in the flesh:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1630852113.jpg

It's got a great rear, too!!!

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Originally Posted by Jonny042 (Post 11142566)

I'm a huge fan of the KW's, they will be a part of any future builds I do. I can't say I've fiddled extensively with the damping, beyond chasing my tail a bit..... when I put the CN36's and Fuchs on the car looked a bit funny, too low in the rear and high in the front. Of course the 10 minute solution was to lower the front:

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This setup left with only about 5/8" of free travel in front before hitting the bumpstops. Impressively enough I was able to tune out the resulting bounciness with the shocks, but it created some strange dynamic behavior.

Once the light went off and I actually checked the free travel I went to the trouble of raising both ends of the car and re-tuning the shocks based on a few drives on bumpy roads. I wouldn't say I've sharpened this to a very fine point but am a believer!

With the current setup (rubber stock bushings all around, SC sways front and rear, and 19mm/25mm torsion bars) the car absolutely devours large bumps and potholes and has great chassis control. The damping characteristics of the KW's are miles ahead of the bilsteins I have on the Rot Rod. In that respect the adjustable damping is not the only advantage.

Are they expensive? Hell yes, but a good value IMO. There are just so many possibilities and variables that you can choose with the 911, different weights and setups and spring rates, having the ability to truly dial the suspension in to your combination is a huge, rather than having to deal with a one-size fits all setup.

Originally Posted by Steve W (Post 10978733)

They are amazing. The adjustment range is way beyond what anyone could use. From super plush softer than Boge to teeth buzzing stiff. Even if you had the stiffest torsion bars, you'd still set them in the middle. They are noticeably shorter and combined with the raised spindle option you could lower the car way below Euro height and you'd still not hit the bump stops. If you combine them with the Rebel Racing RSR bushings, even if you install stiffer torsion bars such as 23/31s or 24/33s, the car will ride even smoother and more comfortable on the street than a stock suspension because of the elimination of the factory bushing friction, and the digressive valves and two way adjustability, you can match any spring rate and set to ride as you want.