Fuchs Alternatives

[Cevan]

Originally Posted by Superman

I got REAL lucky a few years ago in buying a 17" Euromeister set from our host, right before they became NLA. The purchase price was so low as to be virtually free, and they look very much like authentic Fuchs. They are probably crappy wheels, but they are straight and true.

I got mine too for cheap 4 years ago and they have given me zero issues in 12,000 miles of driving (no track or DE). And they look exactly the same as the day I put them on.

[Cevan]

Originally Posted by rw229

That’s all? And here I am fretting over the extra weight of 7/8 Euro Meister Fuchs. (That and the fact that they’re cast replicas)

My Euromeisters (7's and 9's) weighed 18 and 20 lbs.

[GH85Carrera]

I too got lucky and bought some 17 inch Euromiester wheels and I love the 17 inch tires available now. They are heavier, and there is slight reduction in acceleration, but huge increase in cornering ability with a lot more rubber on the ground.

They fill the fenders like Porsche should have back then.

[darrin]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

I too got lucky and bought some 17 inch Euromiester wheels and I love the 17 inch tires available now. They are heavier, and there is slight reduction in acceleration, but huge increase in cornering ability with a lot more rubber on the ground.

They fill the fenders like Porsche should have back then.

Glenn -- what width tires are you running? Agree with how the 17s can be a significant upgrade to stock 16x6 front/ 16x7 rear Fuchs, but the OP is already running 16x7 and 16x9 Fuchs with 245/45 rears which should already fill fenders like your 17s and provide similar contact patches/rubber on the ground.

[911 Rod]

It was the 225/45 in the front that I had a hard time finding.

[s5uewf]

Maxilite makes a 17 inch fuchs style wheel for less than many of the other fuchs types vendors, from what I have been able to discover. Group4wheels also has a selection of p car compatible wheels at reasonable pricing vs other choices I have found.

[famoroso]

Originally Posted by migbr7

lol. Thanks guys. I like the Fuchs look but the tire sizes are the issue. If I could have done Lindsay I would have. So I guess I’m looking for options that replicate the Fuchs but allow for bigger tires

Why not Fuchs Evolution wheels? Authentic Otto Fuchs forged Fuchs wheels available in 15" - 19" diameters, including, for your use case, in 17" x 7" / 8" / 9" options.

The 17x7s weigh just ~3.3 lbs more than your current 16x7s.

The 17x9s weigh just ~1.6 lbs more than your current 16x9s.

I'm a BIG fan of their offerings. I have two sets of their 7 & 9 x16s for my M491s. I'll likely end up with a set of 8 & 9 x 16s once they release the Et 23.3 951 8" wheel.



I also have a set of 993 offset 8 & 10 x 18s for a 993 that I don't even own yet. They are lighter than the factory hollow-spoke wheels! As an aside, you know you have a problem when you have parts for cars you don't even own yet.

Also, do you want bigger tires for the aesthetics? If not, there are some STICKY tires available in the original sizes these days. Yokohama A052s come to mind.

[Schulisco]

Originally Posted by famoroso

Why not Fuchs Evolution wheels? Authentic Otto Fuchs forged Fuchs wheels available in 15" - 19" diameters, including, for your use case, in 17" x 7" / 8" / 9" options.

Retro Fuchsfelge/-rim: https://www.fuchsfelge.com/en/the-fuchsfelge/the-retro-fuchsfelger.html

General info, distributors and shop:
USA: https://www.fuchsfelgeusa.com/
RoW: https://www.fuchsfelge.com/en/home.html

[darrin]

Originally Posted by Schulisco

Retro Fuchsfelge/-rim: https://www.fuchsfelge.com/en/the-fuchsfelge/the-retro-fuchsfelger.html

General info, distributors and shop:
USA: https://www.fuchsfelgeusa.com/
RoW: https://www.fuchsfelge.com/en/home.html

Schulisco -- per the link above, looks like the 17"+ fuchsfelge wheels have 964/newer offsets (which would require spacers to work on an older 911) "The unmistakable styling of the legendary forged Fuchsfelge® has been carefully scaled up to 17, 18 and 19 inch to fit on the ”new“ Porsche types beginning with the 964."

[Bill Verburg]

The only suppliers of Fuchs look wheels in custom widths and ETs and diameters that I know of are Braid and Fikse

here's a comparison of stock 7/9 x16 w/ Fikse 8 /9 x17

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by darrin

Glenn -- what width tires are you running? Agree with how the 17s can be a significant upgrade to stock 16x6 front/ 16x7 rear Fuchs, but the OP is already running 16x7 and 16x9 Fuchs with 245/45 rears which should already fill fenders like your 17s and provide similar contact patches/rubber on the ground.

I went with 225/45/17s front and 255/40/17 rear.

[Bill Verburg]

The most efficient 17 setup is 8 & 8 215/245

here's a 225255 compared to 215/245, you do get mor grip but most don't need it


If going to 225/255, you do lose some accelerative torque but gain grip, to maximize that you want a 9.5 or 10 in back, 9.5 I know fits because that's what I use, I have seen 10s on track cars but don't know the details of what was done to fit them, the tire is the limiting factor, I've used 275/40 on the 9.5 and it was a lot of work to fit, 255/on 9.5 is easy

[TubbyAZ]

Originally Posted by famoroso

As an aside, you know you have a problem when you have parts for cars you don't even own yet.

You are truly afflicted...

[kyngfish]

Years ago i bought BBS RS because they were light, and period correct, and CHEAP vs. Fuchs. I thought it was a compromise, but after I put them on the car I’ll never go back to Fuchs.

[Schulisco]

Originally Posted by darrin

Schulisco -- per the link above, looks like the 17"+ fuchsfelge wheels have 964/newer offsets (which would require spacers to work on an older 911) "The unmistakable styling of the legendary forged Fuchsfelge® has been carefully scaled up to 17, 18 and 19 inch to fit on the ”new“ Porsche types beginning with the 964."

Caution - they offer 17" and bigger as you wrote named as "Retro Fuchsfelge", but they also started to produce smaller rims with a size of 15&16 as the original Fuchs wheels. They call them "Fuchs evolution" or "Exclusive forged wheel": https://www.fuchsfelge.com/en/wheel-program/detail/porsche-911-exclusive-forged-wheel-383.html
The bigger rims are a new version of the old design for 964 and following cars. In 2019 Fuchs then introduced the "Fuchsfelge Evolution" for earlier F-/G-Body (Longnose and impact bumper) cars as well. This is the old Fuchs design produced with new technologies to save more weight.

Because of a new manufacturing process - the smallest tire you can drive at the front axle is now a 225 on a 7J 16" on a G body car ... (The only street legal way in Germany for those new Fuchs Evolution rims, because the load breaking tests were done with that tire dimensions only! I do not know if street regulations apply on this in other countries...)

Thomas

[darrin]

Originally Posted by Schulisco

Caution - they offer 17" and bigger as you wrote named as "Retro Fuchsfelge", but they also started to produce smaller rims with a size of 15&16 as the original Fuchs wheels. They call them "Fuchs evolution" or "Exclusive forged wheel": https://www.fuchsfelge.com/en/wheel-program/detail/porsche-911-exclusive-forged-wheel-383.html
The bigger rims are a new version of the old design for 964 and following cars. In 2019 Fuchs then introduced the "Fuchsfelge Evolution" for earlier F-/G-Body (Longnose and impact bumper) cars as well. This is the old Fuchs design produced with new technologies to save more weight.

Because of a new manufacturing process - the smallest tire you can drive at the front axle is now a 225 on a 7J 16" on a G body car ... (The only street legal way in Germany for those new Fuchs Evolution rims, because the load breaking tests were done with that tire dimensions only! I do not know if street regulations apply on this in other countries...)

Thomas

Thomas -- agree, the 16" and 15" fuchsfelge wheels are a GREAT option for G body owners looking to upgrade their Fuchs. However, since the OP is already running 16x7 front and 16x9 rear Fuchs and was looking for other options (e.g. 17" wheels), I was pointing out that 17" fuchsfelge wheels would not have the proper offset for G body 911s --