And where do these tubs come from?

ROFLMAO.

Careful about the geezers. I'm 61. FSW is 70 (or thereabouts according to a post by hisself) and we have a bunch more here that aren't the least bit interested in the muscle cars, although we grew up with them. However, since nothing ever will be produced in the future like these cars, they will settle in behind the great cars of the 30's and have a constant value, as do the earlier cars, that is tied to the economy as a whole.

As someone said at one time, any car with chrome bolt-up bumpers has become collectable. Not trucks. Yet.

Well, I guess I'm setting myself up for a real flaming, but here goes:

1. I can, and will watch most all of the B-J auction. I think it is great entertainment to see how much some of that stuff goes for. I love cars, all types, even though "my brand" is Porsche.

2. B-J had been pretty adept at grabbing onto the fact that the market was steering to the muscle cars in many ways. There are a lot of 40-60 year olds with a lot of cash that are buying the car or cars they had or lusted after in high school.

3. B-J is not the place for foreign/sports cars, that is definitely RM, IMO.

4. I keep saying that one of these years I'm going to go to B-J and take it all in. It would beat the hell out of Ringling Bros.

5. Last year, I participated in several of the fantasy bids, and nailed one by guessing the exact amount of a '65 GTO, AND I was the first one to submit. Barry Meguiar sent me a HUGE box full of his chemicals, brushes and microfiber towels.

Now please excuse me, I need to go catch Chop, Cut, Rebuild. And then, I think Pinks is on.:p

Now if I had to pick another car other than a Pcar I like this..
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/carlist/cardetails.asp?In_AuctionID=221&In_LotNumber=1252

Just because you're a geezer doesn't mean you necessarily like muscle cars (not by a long shot),

but if you like muscle cars, odds are very, very good you were in your teens during the 60s/70s.

I don't think muscle cars will settle in behind the great cars of the '30s, because the great cars of the '30s were . . . great cars.

Muscle cars as a whole really aren't great cars, just stamped out Detroit iron with biggish displacement engines. But the cars you grew up lusting as a young man are what they are. You aren't necessarily buying or paying for a great car, you are paying to relive a part of your past.

I don't think the next generation, to whom these American muscle cars were NOT a part of their direct past, are going to be paying these crazy 6 figures for mediocre, relatively massed produced models.

I'm not going. There would have to be something else there to draw me out, other than just an auction...

-Wayne

we may be bidding on lot 601- 1974 convert. ghia. saw some really really nice BOSS 302's. if i'm correct they ate everyones lunch for a couple of years in TRANS-AMA and SCCA! still a couple running strong in HSR and VARA. i payed $3500 bucks for mine in 1975. my particular car was built by PASCO FORD, and raced at watkins glen. first time out it took 3rd overall. i got it with 56,000 hard miles on it , but never wrecked. had a hell of a time beating the snot out of 427 vettes 1st thru 3rd gears. 4th gear was another story when those big blocks built up steam. had a hell of alot of fun with it until one day.........the crank broke! was kinda running rough. found out what rebuild parts were gonna be and sold it. man that was a tough day. the one and only car i should have kept!

there seems to be quite a few of these, this year. could be one to look for to run vintage racing. the gt-350's and gt-500's and KR's looked all to be super low mileage and some signed by iaacoca and shelby himself. dont think those will ever see the track again. there is a couple of cobras that are real ones w/427 side oilers on them that run sometimes at PIR and FIREBIRD. NOTHING COMES CLOSE to what that sounds like on the track! geez louise they would scare the POO out of me, running up my backside!

While it's true that many muscle cars are way over-priced, it is also true that some of those going across the block are pretty rare, and it's always cool to watch automobile history. My 1975 high school parking lot would be worth millions today, even my old '68 Nova SS with an LT1 350 and a Muncie 4 spd with 456 posi rear end that cost me $1000 would be worth substantial money at B-J.

Good luck on the Ghia if you go after it Charles!

Oh, I'll watch - I appreciate it for what it is - entertainment.

elfhughs the ghia is for my g/friend. we have played the photoshopped chezze bay 1974 ghia delivered to house for 6000 bucks game. less than a minute after it arrived, i noticed vin # and mfg date, when driver was taking off hauler. it was built 11/71. we had bought and paid for a 1974!!!!

needless to say we got our money back and another guy has since purchased and taken to utah. sooooooooo the quest for a 1974 green convert. continues. lot 601 has 15,550 miles or so on it. its in pretty good shape. my boss has a 1974 that he bought new when we were going to high school. it is cherry, and pretty much the quality we want.

explained to g/friend who is a GREEN FREEK(owns her own landscaping biz), that its hit or miss at barrett/jackson. if feeding frenzy is towards muscle cars, it may slip thru cracks and not sell or go for low bucks. she wants a driver w/least amount of hassles. i explained you get what you pay for..........sometimes. remains to be seen how much of a frenzy will be going on VW's. they also had some very nice VW vans for sale.

hanging around the auction all my life you NEVER KNOW what is going to grab someones eye. told g/friend be prepared to walk away. concours rotisseried brand new restored correct ghias are commanding around 15-20K on cheeze bay now. there is always the chance it may slip thru cracks.

have seen alot of these geezers with more money than brains get into pissing match w/someone they dislike from prior biz dealings send crap thru the roof, just to say they won! its a strange place w/strange personalitys and buying habits. the red goofy metro-liner bus last year was a fine example of how strange it is! insanity is probably a better description.

Yup, there are still deals there. The weekday and Sunday lots always seem to have more than a few cars go for "wow, that's a good price-I coulda bought that" money. By bro-in-law has a car lot specializing in foreign iron, he had a couple of nice Ghias there last year. I could ask him to keep his eyes peeled, or see if he know of anything.

have trailer will haul. by all means yell if a ghia coupe or convert. show up. thanks. she is jazzed about this particular ghia. 74 they only made 1500 something of them. they are going the same way as THINGS! and we know larry at the thing shop personally here in chandler. and things bone stock are fetching serious heart attack money for an ill riding vehicle that takes alot of work to make off road able. larry has made his fortune with them. had the foresight to gobble up every known existing thing part "hecho en mexico" when they shut mexicos thing production plant down. sometimes goes to germany and gets ex-bundeswehr olive drab things. some in great shape, many in not great shape. so its a nutty market and wide body 911 knows the drill on bugs evidenced by his latest rottissarie ghia he is shooting paint on now.

every hour more cars are showing up on barretts site. the more cars the better.

hemmings has a couple listed in issue we p'up yesterday.
remains to seen how many vehicles do go to auction this year and what kind of bucks will be spent and where. thats the mystery and intrique of barretts..........you never know who what when or where something or someone will show up to sell.

as i mentioned before. the pavillions mall site attracts all the hot rods/ricers/4wd/sports cars on any given weekend night here. the weekends the show is on it will be nuts and a show of itself.

just got off phone w/girl friend and described it this way...........HOW BAD DO YOU WANT IT? are you willing to go with a MONEY MACHINE GUN.....EMPTY CLIP AND THEN RELOAD? because on some of these cars you need a BELT FED MONEY MACHINE GUN!

I think they will because they've earned a pedigree by being what they are. Doesn't matter how great of a car they are. An early VW is not a "great" car, however, it is very collectable and somewhat pricey, depending. There are many examples of same, both American and European. The point is that it's a bygone era and nothing ever again will be like it AFA the cars. Shoot, the drone of 2- 4 bbls is all but illegal to have.

You can take your new Mustangs and all, they don't come with carbs. It's all good, just like carbs on a 911 that disappeared at the same time. You want carbs, you gotta buy one the 60's or early 70's cars. They will take their place as soon as this fad wears out.

be interesting to see carrol shelby's cobra from the 60's which had 2 superchargers and like 800 hp

Im with Ed on this one. I will watch as much of it as I can. I have been going to B-J and other auctions for over 20 years although never been to the big one in Az.

I wasnt a teen in the 60's or 70's but I love the muscle cars. But my first love is Porsche. I have a few really nice muscle cars like a real 1969 Camaro's SS-396 and a Buick GS and a few other factory BB cars. But I dont have them for the big bucks they are worth now. I have them because I love cars and many times when I go to shows I see many younger generations love the early Camaro's and Mustangs. I think many will always collect these cars but I do hope prices drop sometime soon.

Here is a car in the RM lineup....956-003. They've listed it as the winningest 956 of all time. This auction would be fun to see as well, as there are more exotics than B-J. This is like Monterey, with lots to do if one were to head to Scottsdale in Jan.

http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cfm?SaleCode=AZ07&CarID=r196#

Living just across town from the BJ event I have been going for years. My passion and interest at this event has always been for the more exotic sports cars as well as any true vintage race car from any country.

Over the last 5-6 years there has been a significant shift from the more exotic foreign cars to the Detroit muscle. I am sure it has everything to do with selling whatever will make them the most profit, after all it is a business. And based on their sales figures it appears they are making the right decision at this point in time. I am sure they will adjust with the market if it moves away from the muscle cars.

I do hope the market shifts back but in the meantime its a great show and there are still some interesting cars (foreign & domestic) to gawk at. Did you see that GM bus they sold last year, it was too cool and somebody here in town actually bought it and drove it home!

I did buy my 1978 911SC at the auction last year and I really was not even in the market for a 911 at the time. I was looking for a Jag XKE that did not pan out and also was kind of hoping I could steal the 1958 DEVIN SPECIAL ROADSTER, which also did not happen. So I came across the 911 on one of the slower days and since the demand for them has cooled off at BJ it was a reasonable buy (would have been a little better buy if that German guy would have stopped bidding against me sooner).

That's basically how I approach this auction, look for any deals that may pop up and other than that its just a big show to enjoy.

But since I bought a car last year I am not really that interested in looking to bid on anything this year so I will just enjoy the show. Unless of course that once in a lifetime deal falls in my lap... ;-)

You have to admit: A lot of the muscle car era Porsches have gone through the roof as well. Try an early S? Plenty of old geezers out there that help jack prices up. And let's not get started with RS or RSR replicas / interpretations.

On the parts side, the same thing happens. RSR distributor? Early sport / recaro seats? Or worst of all: Original hood crests? ;)

George

"On the parts side, the same thing happens. RSR distributor? Early sport / recaro seats? Or worst of all: Original hood crests? "

Not to mention 7inch "R" wheels and factory ducktails.