Would you sell/trade your 911 (any generation) for... - Page 2

dtw · 01-12-2002, 04:09 PM

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Originally posted by Kierf - ¿§?

Anyways, BrianH, can you explain this one to me? A person on the VW Vortex said he would take a German car over any Japanese car simply based on the fact it is German. I've never understood this, and I own both. I have had a total of 3 Japanese cars and one German...

I believe that Butthead said it best:

"Uh, dude, if you don't know, then I'm not going to tell you."

v8tod · 01-12-2002, 04:40 PM

Is this a technical BBS or.......................
Have I completly missunderstand.........

Doès anybody have any any links that refeer to TECHNICAL questions concerning Porsches........

andyu911 · andyu911's Garage

Skyline is a fast car with helps from all kind of gadgets. It's not about the driver. However, with a few tweaks, it becomes a monster. Built quality is no match to even Toyota. 911 is about driver and it's timeless design. At this point of my life, just won't trade or sell it for anything. Can you guys name a car is as fun, beautiful, pratical, reliable, easy to work on... as 911?

Andy
'87 Carrera

BrianH · 01-12-2002, 04:49 PM

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Originally posted by Kierf - ¿§?

Okay...it is more than obvious that you all are fanatical about your car, that is not a bad thing at all. I know I am about my two cars.

Anyways, BrianH, can you explain this one to me? A person on the VW Vortex said he would take a German car over any Japanese car simply based on the fact it is German. I've never understood this, and I own both. I have had a total of 3 Japanese cars and one German...

I know this is long, but it's not simple to explain.

I agree with your friend. I know it is not logical, and probably sounds silly to most, but I’ve had a prejudice against non-European cars since I was about 6 or 7. I know there are Japanese and American cars that go fast, handle well, are reliable, comfortable, fun to drive, and probably by any measurable requirement are "better" than a lot of European cars. It doesn’t matter to me, I "feel" better about European cars. I consider myself a fairly logical person. Some people have told me I’m too logical. But cars are one aspect of my life that I enjoy being illogical about, it’s an escape for me. My choice in cars is based almost entirely on emotion. Other factors, even performance, are secondary.

So what is it that has caused me to have such a strong emotional tie to cars from Europe? It’s hard to say, but I think there are several factors:

1. When I was very young, I had a Commodore 64 computer. There was a game called Test Drive that I used to play with my cousins. The game involved racing up and down mountain roads, eluding cops, and avoiding the slower "drone" cars (which were Corvettes). On the screen where you selected the car you wanted to drive, it would show you statistics about the cars, including the cost. I remember a Lamborghini, a Ferrari, a Lotus Esprit, a 911, and a Corvette. The Lambo was the most expensive, then Ferrari, Lotus, 911, and the ‘Vette. I reasoned that the most expensive car must be the best. It’s amazing how impressionable 7-year-olds are. To this day, no matter how the cars change, and how much I learn about them, this pecking order remains firmly implanted in my psyche.

2. Growing up in California in the 80’s, I my observations led me to form some prejudices about cars and their owners. Now, I’m really not trying to offend anyone, I come from a family that has owned American (mostly), Japanese (some), and European (only a few) cars. These were just my feelings at about age 8, I know they are mostly wrong, but they still influence my emotions towards cars.

Remember, these are the thoughts of an 8-year-old:

American cars are for "old people" and rednecks. The desire to buy an American car is a cultural relic from the 1950’s (which judging from the 50’s sit-com reruns I’ve seen must have been a time period that sucked beyond belief). So old, out-dated, and unworldly.

Japanese cars are for the very poor. Cheap, ugly, little tin boxes that merely get you from A to B. Remember, if it’s cheap it must be bad.

Young, rich, powerful people drive European sports cars. They wear suits. Women like them. They yell things like "Sell! Sell!" and "Destroy the competition!" They must be very important. Magnum PI and Miami Vice, enough said. NOTE: I loved Knight Rider, but only recently found out that thing was a Trans Am, I had no idea what it was as a kid.

3. European cars are somewhat exclusive. Just the name impresses people. Which sounds better: "I drove the Porsche to work today" or "I drove the Nissan to work today"? I know a lot of the people on this board complain about guys buying 996’s just for the image, and that a true Porsche fan doesn't care about image. Honestly, there are lots of reasons I like Porsches, but if image meant absolutely nothing to me, I would probably not be driving a 911. A lot of people say guys buy sports cars to make up for... um... other shortcomings. I don’t know about that, but for me, I think I am subconsciously making up for the daily ass-kickings I received in school. Yes, I was a nerd, and to some extent, Porsche is my revenge. Driving around town, I sometimes see the guy who used to pick on me the most... he harrased me every single day in junior high. He drives a Civic.

So in summary... As with everything, it’s mostly marketing. Well for me it is, I know others here have a different take on it. Hmm, maybe it was simple to explain after all. Anyway, people should drive what they like. Really, there’s nothing wrong with Japanese cars but I still wouldn’t buy one.

pwd72s · 01-12-2002, 05:59 PM

"American cars are for "old people" and rednecks. The desire to buy an American car is a cultural relic from the 1950’s (which judging from the 50’s sit-com reruns I’ve seen must have been a time period that sucked beyond belief). So old, out-dated, and unworldly." - Brian

Brian, are you calling me a REDNECK! I mean, just because I go to family reunions to pick up chicks, and have a "different" daily driver....you call me a Redneck??? Better look close...see the GUN RACK????

BrianH · 01-12-2002, 06:13 PM

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Originally posted by pwd72s
"American cars are for "old people" and rednecks. The desire to buy an American car is a cultural relic from the 1950’s (which judging from the 50’s sit-com reruns I’ve seen must have been a time period that sucked beyond belief). So old, out-dated, and unworldly." - Brian

Brian, are you calling me a REDNECK! I mean, just because I go to family reunions to pick up chicks, and have a "different" daily driver....you call me a Redneck??? Better look close...see the GUN RACK????

Opps! No, not calling you a redneck. Although the family reunion thing might qualify.

Like I said, this was my view of the world at 8 years old. And an 8-year-old's view of the world is usually warped. My parents own 4 American cars and I don't consider them rednecks, or old for that matter (they are 42). But this was my over simplified, yuppie coke-head influenced view of the world. However, I still remain an aspiring yuppie coke-head and personally wouldn't buy an American car. To each his own.

tight as a bull's ass · tight as a bull's ass's Garage

"I would probably not be driving a 911. A lot of people say guys buy sports cars to make up for... um... other shortcomings. I don’t know about that, but for me, I think I am subconsciously making up for the daily ass-kickings I received in school. Yes, I was a nerd, and to some extent, Porsche is my revenge. Driving around town, I sometimes see the guy who used to pick on me the most... he harrased me every single day in junior high. He drives a Civic. "

I know exactly how you feel...the 911 is a way of making up for childhood and adolecent shortcomings, whether it was lack of friends, being picked on, or whatever.....

whenever I see that symbolic "civic" driver, I floor it, making sure the flat-6 is heard, then blow by and get in front so he (they) notice the Porsche machine.

pwd72s · 01-12-2002, 06:46 PM

Well Brian, all I can say is that you are a person who graduated from high school in 1997. You still have just a wee bit to learn about human nature. CEO's on this site? Better hire Brian now. It is obvious he knows EVERYTHING. Sorry if I bothered you Brian...no threat intended. But in the town where I live, my '72S doesn't get nearly as many "guy looks" as my old pickemup does. AND you're an admitted "yuppie coke head"? Gosh, who's that, Knocking on your door? Brian? Good luck. I think you need it! Best, Paul.

BrianH · 07:44 PM

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Originally posted by pwd72s
Well Brian, all I can say is that you are a person who graduated from high school in 1997. You still have just a wee bit to learn about human nature. CEO's on this site? Better hire Brian now. It is obvious he knows EVERYTHING. Sorry if I bothered you Brian...no threat intended. But in the town where I live, my '72S doesn't get nearly as many "guy looks" as my old pickemup does. AND you're an admitted "yuppie coke head"? Gosh, who's that, Knocking on your door? Brian? Good luck. I think you need it! Best, Paul.

Whoa, it sounds like I really did offend you. I'm sorry if I did. No, you didn't bother me at all, figured your post was just good-natured sarcasm, because of the family reuinion crack and the smiley at the end. Oh, I know I have a LOT to learn about human nature, I know it's not one of my strong points. I don't claim to know everything, or even claim to know much... I was asked about my the reasoning behind my taste in cars, and I responded. That's how I USED to feel about American cars, I know it's not true, just saying that initial feeling led to a dislike of them that remains even if the original reason does not. Again, I didn't mean anything by it and I'm sorry.

No, I'm not a coke-head, that was a joke. I've never done any kind of drugs in my life, just alluding to the stereotype Lambo driver of the 80s.

Again, sorry to anyone I offended. This has gotten a bit off topic, but I think this shows that what car you choose to drive has a whole lot more to do with emotion than with more tangible things. This might explain most people's choice to stay with the 911 instead of the Skyline, and maybe some of the attraction to Porsches in general.

For the record, I drove my Grandpa's 65 Corvette for the first time a few weeks ago and thought it was a lot of fun. Really, I don't mean to insult/piss-off the American car guys. You're a though crowd! No hard feelings?

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"my '72S doesn't get nearly as many "guy looks" as my old pickemup does"

I know what you mean, my dad's '70 Land Cruiser with a Chevy 327 in it gets MUCH more positive attention from car guys than my 911 will ever get.

stuttgart · stuttgart's Garage

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SCWDP!! FOR EVER!!!!
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Leland Pate · 01-12-2002, 09:12 PM

Hey Paul!!!

youz got a beef wiz graduates from '97????!!!!

...um...I graduated in '97...

Brian, you obviously were spoiled because you had a Comodore. I didn't get one of those until the SUper Nintendo came out!

pwd72s · 01-12-2002, 09:23 PM

"Hey Paul!!!

youz got a beef wiz graduates from '97????!!!! " - Leland

Leland...thanks for making light. To answer your question? Only with punks who haven't bothered to grow up yet. Obviously, among those who graduated HS in '97, you have grown up. Boy, have you! Again, thanks....really, dunno why this kid punched my hot button so, but he sure did. Maybe it's my redneck part?

Best, Paul

BrianH · 01-12-2002, 09:31 PM

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Originally posted by Leland Pate

Brian, you obviously were spoiled because you had a Comodore. I didn't get one of those until the SUper Nintendo came out!

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Wow it was really obsolete by then. Actually the Comodore was my dad's, but he let me play it with it

I'm impressed, a 97 grad and already leader of such a powerful group as the SCWDP! I almost bought a really nice SC that had been converted to a turbo-look, but someone beat me to it and I ended up going to the 3.2 darkside...

Paul, I use that word the same way I call myself a "Nerd," all in fun, not serious. I'll watch myself next time. And yes, Leland sounds a lot more mature than I am.

Leland Pate · 01-13-2002, 01:39 AM

Oh yeah... I'm reeeeel mature.

I'm the guy who wants to sell my fairly expensive, reliable, and not so paid for- truck for a 20 year old german sports car.

Oh yes and deed, veeerrry mature...

I really don't know what a commodore is... it's like an attari right?

SCWDP... Greenpeaces worst nightmare!
Mua mua muahahahahahahaha...

Kierf - ¿§? · 01-13-2002, 01:44 AM

v8tod, here is the technical question for this technical board. Why do 911s leak oil more than their water-pumper counterparts? (I really have no idea why.)

Anyways...BrainH, thank you for the explanation. The other guy on the VW Vortex didn't answer me. Here is the thread I was talking about: http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=207123

Rufblackbird · 01-13-2002, 02:51 AM

Why do 911s leak more oil than their water pumper counterparts? Easy. The 911 has a boxer engine which...ok nevermind. I don't really know. I'll let the experts answer that.

A Skyline for my 911? Of course! Then I'd do what every other fanatic would do. Sell it, and buy 3 more, but in better condition! Otherwise...hell no. Wouldn't trade it for anything...but maybe except for the SCWDP fearless leader's Nissan Pimpster!

rstoll · 01-13-2002, 06:31 AM

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Originally posted by Leland Pate
Oh yeah... I'm reeeeel mature.

I'm the guy who wants to sell my fairly expensive, reliable, and not so paid for- truck for a 20 year old german sports car.

Oh yes and deed, veeerrry mature...

I really don't know what a commodore is... it's like an attari right?

SCWDP... Greenpeaces worst nightmare!
Mua mua muahahahahahahaha...

Look down the road 10 more years...with the new pickup what do you have in ten years....a ten yr old pickup....whatchagot with the 911, well in ten years, it is still a Porsche 911! Yowsa!

cegerer · cegerer's Garage

"Why do 911s leak oil more than their water-pumper counterparts?"

I think you could answer most of your own questions if you did a little research on your own. Either do a simple search of this board, do a Google search of the internet, or open a few books and read them. After that, I'm sure if you had unanswered questions, the technical experts on this board would be more than happy to help you out. -- Curt