Rear sway bar: Weltmeister or Tarrett Engineering?

sleeping_beast · 07-26-2004, 07:05 AM

Hello everyone,

Don't ask me how but the PO of my '75 911 broke and bent (30 degrees approx.) one of the downlinks of the 16 mm Weltmeister rear sway bar installed in this car. So here I am thinking about upgrading my rear sway bar.

I'd like to prepare my car for track. Actually, I think I'll go with a 22 mm Weltmeister but I'm certainly open to revise my choice. Pelican Parts sells Weltmeister and Tarrett Engineering rear sway bars. Which one would you recommend? Why?

Thanks,

Alain

rattlsnak · rattlsnak's Garage

I havent got the rear bar yet, but I have a Tarrett front bar, and it is very nice. Great quality, and great hardware. Compared to the regular Welt bars, its much better, but I havent seen a Welt pro series bar to compare it to.

tobluforu · tobluforu's Garage

If it's a track car, get a different bar then a welt.

sleeping_beast · 07-15-2011, 07:20 AM

Hello everyone,

After these many years, I finally ordered a 22 mm Tarrett Engineering rear sway bar... Thanks for the advice!

Alain

gtc · gtc's Garage

You must have researched it very thoroughly!

sleeping_beast · 07-15-2011, 08:50 AM

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You must have researched it very thoroughly!

Not really... It's just that my life brought me somewhere else in the meantime... I now have plenty of time to work on the 911...

Alain

dshepp806 · dshepp806's Garage

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Originally Posted by sleeping_beast

Not really... It's just that my life brought me somewhere else in the meantime... I now have plenty of time to work on the 911...

Alain

,..and "those" can be the best of times!!!!!!! Best to you,..and the work.

What's the beef (street use) on the stock rear sways?

BEST!

Doyle

wildcat077 · wildcat077's Garage

Alain,

If i were you,i would start with upgrading to stiffer torsion bars and fresh Bilstein shocks and just replace the rear sway bar links with adjustable ones for now ...
It would be pretty pointless in going from a 16 mm rear swaybar to a 22 mm one without doing base upgrades first !
Everything suspension wise needs to have a certain balance otherwise you are just screwing up the handling characteristics of your car.

I track my car approx a dozen days per season with the Rennsport PCA club and i can vouch for balance when it comes to upgrades to a Porsche.
Should you decide to go through with your sway bar purchase,the Tarrett setup would be my choice as well.That is what will be going on my car over the Winter,front and rear ...
Once you understand the handling characteristics of your car on a track,oversteer/understeer and figure out what causes it and how to correct it then it will be time to play with adjustable sway bars,otherwise you don't really need to spend your money on expensive parts !

Cheers !
Phil

minoclan · 07-15-2011, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by sleeping_beast

Not really... It's just that my life brought me somewhere else in the meantime... I now have plenty of time to work on the 911...

Alain

For 7 years?

chrismorse · chrismorse's Garage

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Originally Posted by dshepp806

,..and "those" can be the best of times!!!!!!! Best to you,..and the work.

What's the beef (street use) on the stock rear sways?

BEST!

Doyle

Stock bars are not adjustable to dial in understeer or oversteer.

For track use stock bars are usually too skinny, (I lucked out, dad ordered the car with carrera 20 & 18 mm bars).

The rear mounts will likely need reinforcing to handle bigger bars, I got dad's car with the rear bar off. Here is a link to my recent bar mount repair, (with a bit of fuel pump relocation thrown in for good measure)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/617072-replacing-rear-bar-mounts-74-911-a.html

Chris

zimmer266 · zimmer266's Garage

Way to keep track of your old threads.

911pcars · 07-15-2011, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by wildcat077

Alain,

If i were you,i would start with upgrading to stiffer torsion bars and fresh Bilstein shocks and just replace the rear sway bar links with adjustable ones for now ...
It would be pretty pointless in going from a 16 mm rear swaybar to a 22 mm one without doing base upgrades first !
Everything suspension wise needs to have a certain balance otherwise you are just screwing up the handling characteristics of your car.

I track my car approx a dozen days per season with the Rennsport PCA club and i can vouch for balance when it comes to upgrades to a Porsche.
Should you decide to go through with your sway bar purchase,the Tarrett setup would be my choice as well.That is what will be going on my car over the Winter,front and rear ...
Once you understand the handling characteristics of your car on a track,oversteer/understeer and figure out what causes it and how to correct it then it will be time to play with adjustable sway bars,otherwise you don't really need to spend your money on expensive parts !

Cheers !
Phil

+1 That's the general consensus despite the wish for the one magic pill.

Sherwood

sleeping_beast · 07-15-2011, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by minoclan

For 7 years?

Yep... I divorced, got married again, had a new job, did home remodeling, had two other kids... Lots of activities that kept me away from the 911 - it's just a priority question.

I have been diagnosed with cancer last fall so I now have plenty of time since I'm not working anymore... I'm doing the work on the 911 with my 16 years old son... If I don't succeed against cancer, that car will become his car.

Cheers,

Alain

zimmer266 · zimmer266's Garage

Best of luck with all of it, truly.

sleeping_beast · 07-15-2011, 02:41 PM

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Best of luck with all of it, truly.

Thank you zimmer266!

Alain

chrismorse · chrismorse's Garage

Hang in there Alain,

My dad fought it for 10 years. We had a lot of good times talking about the Fine German Racing Car, (his very stock but rebuilt & repainted 74).He lived about 550 miles away but i made the trip several times a year to be with him.
An amazing amount of wisdom and knowledge gets imparted working on projects father/son and a lot of fun too.
He has been gone almost 13 months and i think of him every day. His car is now in great shape and is my daily driver, when i don't have to drive the work truck.

Wish you well,
chris

rattlsnak · rattlsnak's Garage

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Originally Posted by rattlsnak

I havent got the rear bar yet, but I have a Tarrett front bar, and it is very nice. Great quality, and great hardware. Compared to the regular Welt bars, its much better, but I havent seen a Welt pro series bar to compare it to.

Ha! That was 4 cars ago for me! lol..

sleeping_beast · 07-16-2011, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by chrismorse

An amazing amount of wisdom and knowledge gets imparted working on projects father/son and a lot of fun too.

Hi Chris,

Thank you very much for sharing your story. Life is wonderful, especially when you can spend quality time with the loved ones. I surely wish I can make ten years like your dad (doctor gave me two).

Alain

H-viken · 07-16-2011, 02:53 AM

Hang in there man! Sounds like you have your priorities straight, spending your time on things that really matters. Whichever way things go your son will always cherish the time the two of you spent together. Too many kids out there who never get to spend quality time with their folks.

/Johan

sleeping_beast · 07-16-2011, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by H-viken

Hang in there man! Sounds like you have your priorities straight, spending your time on things that really matters. Whichever way things go your son will always cherish the time the two of you spent together. Too many kids out there who never get to spend quality time with their folks.

/Johan

Thanks Johan!