EFANG ethanol...
 

Here in kalifoania, alcohol free gas is very hard to find, maybe two or three places in the entire county AND, it costs $5.50 a gallon, AND, you have to sign, in blood, that this "pure" gas will NEVER, ever, on pain of death, be used n our righteously pristine highways.
A couple of years ago, I was having trouble getting my home generator started. My mechanical friend worked on the carburetor, trying to get to work, when he found the carb so badly corroded that we had to replace it.
When having my lawn mower repaired, I asked the shop manager about alcohol related damage, on which, he became quite animated, pissed off, in fact. He said that fully 60% of his work was fixing damaged fuel systems, hoses, carbs from this f'ing trash, pseudo gas.
POLITICAL, imaginary, eco-groovy trash. Now, let me tell you how I really feel......
I need another beer to evolve...

With respect to ethanol.

It's been around for 20+ years.

No cars have melted.

Reminds me of flat earther youtube vids reading posts.

Bob,

Agreed. The issues can be managed. The biggest real downside is reduced gas mileage.

I think much of the reported problems are related to cars that are used infrequently.

My 1973 911 and 1970 VW Bus has had no fuel related issues under my owner ship (since 2002 for the 911 and 2013 for the Bus). They both are driven regularly with no more than 2-3 weeks between use. I use 360 (formerly Marine) Sta-bil with every fill. When I replaced the fuel sender in my VW last year, the inside of tank looked great. When my 911 top end was done last year, there was no evidence of fuel related damage as well.

The 30 year old fuel lines get rock hard on the inside, and the ethanol doesn't damage them. Recently replaced some on a 80s Ferrari and they looked fine. Yet, 3 year old fuel lines melted and clogged...

Question. The 3 yr old lines. Were they made of modern materials which are compatible with ethanol? Or were they the old school lines which are not?

Your post made me think. I’m curious if my leaking fuel pump that I just replaced on my 87 kalifornia car was mainly caused by the ethanol in the fuel. It was interesting that fuel was leaking from the positive terminal, I think I’m going to disassemble tomorrow to see what the internals look like. Interesting.

Ctopher

This is so true. Somehow they found a way to make black rubber hose with way less rubber. Same with CV boots. Guys here report short service life. Mine are from 74!

Exactly. There's so much misinformation on this thread. Sigh...

I can't wait to fully convert one day.

Is the Marine version totally safe for our engines? Too much of a good thing?

Yep, I agree 100%.

Bill, totally off topic but came across this picture today. Date says 3/31/2006, had to be opening day at Limerock that year and about my 3-4th DE day in my newly built Dan Jacobs 911!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1517058328.jpg

here's your 1st black car, 2009


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1517065162.jpg

My question for those using StaBil 360 Marine - is that safe in our engines?

I checked the manufacturer's site and the dilution for the Marine product is double the dilution of the standard product:

1oz for 5 gallons of gas - for regular StaBil 360

1oz for 10 gallons of gas for StaBil 360 Marine.

The Marine product is much cheaper - about half the cost of the standard land-based product.

But... the question remains - is the Marine product advisable in our engines? Issues regarding seals and stuff.

This is the one I use.

I beg to differ :mad::mad:

This was a direct result of Ethanol rotting fuel lines. The car was MOT'd the day before & given a clean bill of health. Was running quality braided fuel hoses & the ethanol rotted them from the inside out within two years.

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8498/...1c4d7501_b.jpgUntitled by Kevin Frost, on Flickr

The question is, is that Marine version too much of a good thing for non-marine designed engines?

The manufacturer recommends 1oz per 10 gallons for that Marine version, whereas the standard car 360 is 1oz per 5 gallons of fuel.

I think that I will stick with the orange standard StaBil 360 ethanol treatment.

I have used Marine Stabil in my 911 for many years. Started using it in my boat which is put up for seven months of the year and it preserves the fuel and especialy keeps it water free. Always cranks right up after
its seven month rest. Started using it in my 911 after the first good experience with boat storage. I can't imagine what you think could be in the Marine version that would harm anything in your car, after all boat motors and fuel systems are very close to auto internal combustion engines. In fact most smaller boats with inboard motors mostly use repurposed automobile engines. My Supra skiboat uses a Ford GT40 motor that is basically the same as the one in a high performance Mustang.

How much ethanol?

I've ran E10 for years and nary a problem. If these rotted in 2 years, they weren't quality as you claim.

If you do your research you will find that the states in the heartland whom grow the majority of the corn, had high paid lobbyists who pushed legislation for the adoption of ethanol (corn based) fuels. It was sold to the public as a cleaner alternative to pure gasoline which is total crap since it takes far more energy to grow, harvest, transport and process corn into ethanol. The states on either coast originally bought this bill of goods until it was learned that it was making corn growers and their suppliers (read large corporations like ConAgra, Monsanto) rich. Kalifornia and other eco states originally embraced the false prophet (ethanol) but anyone who has done their homework knows that it is bad for the environment due to the environmental toll it takes, it takes more energy to produce, as well as less efficient fuel (mileage, power for most cars) and it kills older cars. As a member of the eco-groovy trash set I oppose ethanol production and only buy ethanol free for my Porsches, lawn tractor, and other gas powered tools.

The concern is engine seals.

Why is there a Marine version and a regular version? Why not just market Marine for both? Actually the Marine is cheaper as it costs basically the same $18 vs $16 but it is 1oz/10-gallons whereas the standard version is 1oz/5gallons.

The Marine version does a better job at moisture abatement, which is why it is helpful in wet marine applications . If ethanol seperates from gasoline it becomes hydroscopic, absorbing water and the marine Stabil addresses that. I don't know what "seals" you are worried about. If anything it preserves any "seals" in the fuel system much as it preserves the rubber fuel hoses.