Good job....guess that means that pre 74 models CAN take off the smog stuff....at least if they do, there is no one that says they can't....or ...no one has the authority to even request an inspection....or????

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Kind of like the 55mph law that everyone ignored until it was repealed to reflect what everyone was driving. With all due respect, I think it is a non-issue for pre 74 cars....until someone gets popped, it is not something anyone should worry about...

Just my opinion.

Great debate but in the SF bay area we have no road side smog checks that I know of and this car will only be a toy and not go far from home ever.

I found 40 MM Weber IDF EX's with manifolds and all that is needed to install on a 914 from The Performance Parts Warehouse for $569.95 + shipping. ($25.00 for 2 day air.)


More to come.

TMK

"Why would you want to"....well if you had the big bucks like some and want to go fast, you could buy the programable FI like Mike Nugent did on the famous "914 Lite" (now for sale on the Pelican site)...or you can get almost the same useable HP, with carbs...for a lot less bucks=cheaper.

The only reason that you would want to stay with the venerable D-Jet or L-Jet, would be for nostalgia or Concours (sp?) events. I think that most of us are not into that. If you are...more power to ya...but not me.

The 30 year old FI(s) delivered with our favorite car, can not be upgraded. I think we are ALL in agreement in that.

There is no way to get more than 120 +/- 10hp out of a 914 AND pass smog with a D-Jet FI motor. I know of no FI that is currently certified by CARB to replace the D-Jet.

Edelbrock bothered to go to CARB and certify an advanced FI to replace the GMC/Chevy/Ford FI on 87 to the current model year fuel injection. My search of the currrent Executive Orders from CARB can find no such upgrade certification from anyone for the 914 Type IV motor. This certification is very expensive to the FI manufacturers...

The recent Clean Act, gave CARB an exalted status...the FEDs said that each State can certify pollution control systems...OR use CARB's certifications....

I hate beating this to death....but....if you want instant 4 cylinder gratification, go see FAT or Mark Stephens and get 150+HP with carbs .....for 5K and run a slight chance of getting caught by the smog dorks....Or pay 5K for a programable FI PLUS the motor to get an extra 20HP AND not EVEN be smog legal in the letter of the law...

Just a few remarks from a "smog dork"...

Thats what I like about you mike. Although I've never met you,and only talked to you briefly on the phone, you seem to be a "matter of fact guy". This is truly ment as a complement. Working in the field your in, it's refreshing to see someone of your learned back ground putting the practical spin on this subject. If there is no legal option to up grade an outdated,expensive, system with deminishing parts resources who cares. Take the bet, what are the odds.

Thanks Rich.....

And Brian also....we have come to the same conclusion from different ends of the spectrum...Carbs in MOST cases ARE the sign of a hack job. I've never disputed that....but if you get in a 914 with carbs and the rear end chases the front while dropping the clutch...odds are the engine is not stock, nor hacked...

I may be an old fart, now being over 40, but I still like a little performance. The 100 hp that a stocker 914 has, does not cut with me....since CA has exempted pre 74 914s, I am taking the more liberal approach...just like people that have blown 454s in their 1923 Ford Model Ts....new mommy wagons/soccer/mobiles/grocery/getters that are driven 20-30k a year need smog control...not my toy that is driven less than 6,000 and has actually survived 30 years of CA traffic.

Regards

One point, though. You *can* get 120 HP out of a stock-displacement motor running D-jet. You have to tinker with the componentry a little bit, but it can be done.

Higher compression, tuned headers with a free-flowing muffler, and a bigger-bore throttle body should get you there.

I know a 2.2-liter car running D-jet, and it works just fine. If I remember what the previous owner of that car (the one who had the motor built) said, it dyno'd at 120 HP at the rear wheels. If you figure 15% drivetrain losses, that's 140 HP at the flywheel.

All it really takes is time and money...

Agreed, carbs are simpler and more generally understood. But, as long as you don't put in a lumpy cam, the D-jet can indeed be made to feed a 140 HP engine; possibly more!

--DD

I'm going to side with dave here. I've got a mild Web-Cam in a D-Jet and it's easy as hell to tune. What needs to be remembered is that the grind of the cam cannot deviate too much from the stock. But the lift is all up to you.

Think about it, for larger displacement all you have to do is crank up the MPS. This simply makes each FI burst more gas. When you approach the end of that adjustment you can set it back and boost the gas line pressure a few pounds. Then repeat with the MPS. This alone would let you dial in a much larger displacement.

Then there are the fun things like boring the throttle body and such. Face it the D-Jet is probabally one of the easiest Bosche FI systems to dial in. You should see what it takes on a Motronic 1.1 system! BIG BIG BUCKS!

Ian

Wow. What a can of worms.
The motor will not be a hack job but will be built for weber carbs by Jerry Woods Inc. I want carbs because I like carbs and understand how to tune them more than FI. As for the smog thing, this should not be a issue at all. The car came from Reno NV. I had to take it to DMV to verify the #'s. They did not want to see the motor at all. It will never have to get a smog check and we do not have road side checks in the SF bay area.

TMK

tmk,

Thanks for the words of encouragement... I purchased a 914 from PA six months ago. From there, it went directly to the body and upholstery shop. They are just now finishing the paint. I also, had the engine rebuilt at Black Forest Porsche for big $$$'s but well worth it! Since the PO had already replaced the FI with carbs, I was a bit concerned about going to the DMV next month to get it registered.

Thanks!

John, as long as it is a 73 or older, they just take your money and give you your registration.

If you are a member of AAA club and the registration is straight forward, i.e. no lien sales or something funky, they will do it with smile...no long lines at DMV and the crappy attitude along with it....

Good luck, glad to hear that it is almost done. Will it be ready for the 1/16/2000 San Diego autocross at Jack Murphy? The Santa Barbara/Ventura PCA contingent will be down there....look for #070 on a white 914.

Auto crossing in January? Hell it snowed here today!! %( Anyone for a winter rallie? Last one in the snow bank wins!

What size studded snow tire will fit under a stock sided 914 on a Riviera wheel with a 28mm offset?

It depends on how much road salt they use, and how rusty your prize is. I would guess a daily driver in THIS state could take a 275/70/15 EASY!! you may have to break off some of the little brown jagged edges to prevent cuts while installing them.
No studs though. They're illegal on all vehicles! (no smog checks though) Jesse the mind had the stud ban on snowmobiles repealed. What a guy! he's swell!

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NO STUDDED TIRES!!!!

How are you expected to make sparks when you burn out on dry pavement?

Last I heard tungsten studs were legal Nov 1 - March 31 in Ohio. Sure they tend to tear up the road when you lock up the brakes but SPARKS, man, SPARKS!!!!

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