stupid ebrake location
 

dunno about you guys, but the ebrake on my 944 has me all ticked off...

went driving the other day , country roads, hairpin turns
gravel in the corners and what not...

i used to have my handbrake , little yank to turn in, swing the fat butt round the corner , then power out


same for fun in the snow, it's handy to be able to lock up the reads, while you keep the fronts rolling...

in the 944, no such thing

need left hand on the wheel, right hand as well, and then quickly
shift, right hand back on the wheel

there's no way i can safely learn myself to use the left hand for e-brake tricks, just doesn't work , it's to far down
and you cannot alternate between left hand and right hand on the wheel


anyone else have this problem ?
or even better, has anyone else ever tackled this problem? relocated the lever? or added a second control somewhere??

Dang I know, the car just sticks to the road...

Stupid german engineering...

only thing I can think of if you really need it is to grab a level setup out of some car thats located right of the seat. I've thought the same thing but don't strive to use mine often so I've learnt to deal with it.

*Shrug*

not on country roads with gravel and dirt, or normal roads with snow, it won't.




unfortunately not, because usually those cars would have it on the floor
which on a 944 there is no room on the right of the seat of a LHD car
there is the tunnel , and that one is to high , it wouldn't work

i've been thinking about a hinge bolted to the tranaxle tunnel , basically on the passengers side

with a lever on that, that in unused position be somewhere near the shifter... bit like they do in rally cars...


then there is the cabling itself
since the cable on a 944 is not symmetrical , bit tricky as well
and ideally i'de like to retain the function of hte old park brake
and sort of piggy back the new cable on that one...so the new lever can be simplified , just a pull thing, no need for a locking mechanism..

which is why i was hoping for somebody else who would have done it, for tips and tricks .....

or, you could just make your 944 have some serious balls then you can just floor it and go side ways ;-)

I don't know whether to laugh, or cry...

Just get a VW bug for winter driving!

It's not an emergency brake, it's a parking brake.

If you want a car that drags the ass end in corners, sell the 944 and get a 911. Otherwise, enjoy a suspension setup that grips the road :)

Just go into the corner real hot and trailbrake. The back end will come around nice and controlable, plus you get to use both hands to saw at the steering wheel to keep it on the road.

Speedy:)

Now I know why the parking brake shoes were worn out on my 944 when I bought it..........
At $100/set I wouldn't be f'ing around with the parking brake while the car is moving.
Don't use the parking brake when moving. It is designed to keep the car from moving, not to stop the rear wheels while it is moving. Doing so is VERY hard on the parking brake mechanism and the brake shoes, and they don't take abuse well.

do that quite often
but on narrow roads, you need the handbrake to snap the backend around if there is not enough road to steer in and make it swing around
you cannot go sideways without room


you into concours or something??
do you cry as well when you see track 944's gutted??


it's not a silly idea, hand brake levers are a modification in most serious rally cars... it's not because you only drive your car on tarmac, that other folks feel limited to that...
hell , more early 911's get raced in historic rallied, then on race tracks

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/s...t_Leer_298.jpg

obviously i do not have the sequential gear stick, but you can clearly see the modded hand brake

jeez , and the 944 folks always moan bout 911 folks beeing snobs and whatnot...guess not much Gruppe B here then or what??



i have a 911.

besides, i'm not complaining about to much grip on the road
on the roads i drive, the 944 does not have enough grip
no car has
that's why i want to make it's ass snap around corners

besides, i know it's not an e-brake, but i know that most here use the term ebrake so i used it not to confuse any americans...:D

won't work on gravel or snow



so what, some racers go trough a set of brake pads in one track day
for me it's a wear item... and frankly , i've never , ever had any wear out on any of my previous cars, and i did use em a lot
jees, you go to racer threads too , with you finger in the air " listen boys, racing is VEERY hard on the engine and tranny and suspension and very expensive !!"


seriously 100 bucks for a set of new brake shoes is peanuts compared to burning up a set of tires
yet hardly anyone complains about that??
it's not because you folks haven't figured out how to use the handbrake more creatively , that i can't do it
how about left foot braking ?? do i have to stop doing that as well because you guys never do it??



in case you lot for got
there was a famous 924 rally car out there

http://www.po944.de/images/924_10x7_1.jpg

and although i have no proof, or pictures from the cockpit
i'm pretty sure it had a handbrake in the middle somewhere
and i'm damned sure it was used for handbrake turns

*walks away*
Some people are just a lost cause.

another idea, based on my previous car, my 924

you say the brake shoes are not designed to stop the wheels from moving, full stop

check the 924 rear brake setup
guess what
drum rolls (pun not intended) ....... DRUM brakes

it works just fine for the 924 folks , so i'm pretty sure they can handle the occasional hand brake turn

perhaps i should have wrote all this in CAPS
so you can hear it while you're busy *walking away*

Don't sweat it svandamme, rally culture is stronger in some parts of the world than others. I work on a start crew for the WRC Rally NZ and regional rallies most years and in a pitcrew for Targa NZ. rally is pretty huge here.

The US seems to be bigger on auto-x, road racing and dragging.
In NZ it seems to be road racing & rally, dragging then drifting.

You might get a quicker reaction time by disabling the button on the handbrake when you go for these drives, as simple as taping the button in on the handbrake. not having to press the button in each time makes a small but helpful difference.


rally rocks!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2rBSDNakTtU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YR8JugCU6As
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uJvxG0qHzT4

the last vid is one of my favourites and shows an excellant handbrake turn at the end of the clip
[edit] now im stuck here watching rally on youtube for the next few hours :D

http://www.galiciaenralis.com/PORSCH...es_Spa_015.jpg

you might find some decent interior pics here. im too lazy to look myself.
http://www.galiciaenralis.com/PORSCHE/924Rallye/index.html

ok so i looked
http://www.galiciaenralis.com/PORSCH...slides/p11.jpg

dont know what that is behind the handbrake though.

the button is not the limiting factor for me

i think in NZ you guys drive on the wrong :D side of the road ,right? right hand steeing? so you guys have the handle on the right

although it's just reverse for me , i can't get my mind around right hand shifting, left hand yanking the handbrake , it messes up my routine, and craps up my steering, for some reason i can't switch over fast enough , my left hand has to be on the wheel, always has been for the last 15 years, and it's not about to change just for the 944

and even if i could, the best solution in a LHD car is and always will be right hand shift, right hand yank(and for some, the right hand wank )
always 1 hand that is on the wheel all the time, which can't be done with shifter and lever on different sides

rally does rock, and it takes a hellofalot more balls then going round and round a track with runout areas , sand boxes and plenty of safety marshals or woft around on a friggin parking lot with some orange cones

it's a great rush to take blind corners, with either trees or a ditch on either side, or leave the ground with all four wheels, going over a hump in the road


ooh , great pics in your last post
guess there is some room , but these are different seats...

awesome pics they go in to my archive

thanks man !

no worries :) yep, nz is RHD.

yeah, rally is pretty rough, it has its fair share of casualties though. This is the most relevant death in Australiasia:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?threadid=303192

he died driving this Daytona coupe:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...x-IMG_2274.jpg

Way to put a whole *****load of words into my mouth.

Maybe I just have a thing against idiots who treat PUBLIC roads as though they're racetracks. Did you consider that?

Take this ***** to a track. Don't endanger others by engaging in stupid behaviour on public roads. People like you are the reason my insurance costs are as high as they are.

please , as if i would go nuts and foolishly pull stunts when theres any traffic around...or even the slightest chance of endangering anyone

fyi , i'm talking abandoned country roads
abandoned... empty , nobody else, solo , alone...


i never asked for your moral lecture
i asked in a thread , a technical question, if anybody had ever changed the position of the handbrake lever

and you came up with some smug oneliner

if you wanna moan and rant and be mr safety/anal
then please start your own thread thankyouverymuch

for the record, i've had my licence for about 12 years now
and no insurance claims... that's how unsafe i drive... 12 years, no claims, there you go... happy?


oh , an and even if there were, i'm sure you would not be affected by what i do here in Europe.

EDIT, perhaps instead of moaning that people put words in your mouth, perhaps you might want to consider posting exactly what you mean instead of a vague line where you express some form of loathing... ? if you leave your audience guessing, then don't be surprised if they guess wrong.

Not to take sides on this, but your answer was pretty unresponsive.

Regardless if the roads 'have no one on them' he has something against people using public roads (yes the ones with no one on them are public) as racetracks.

Just because no one is on them now doesn't make them any less public.