968 6spd FS

[Barry Johnson]

Delete thread please. Car is sold as of August 2010

[kwikt 911]

Looks great. Wonder how much??

[matthewb]

I am wonderinng how he got the keys and title for it if the actual owner was nowhere to be found. I doubt the title annd keys were left in the storage unit with it.

[Mark944na86]

This is a car I would approach very cautiously. If the original owner ever turns up on the scene, there could be a legal challenge over whether the title was rightfully transferred. This is not to say the original owner would win their case, but the very possibility of a legal dispute would make me leery.

Something to to bear in mind. At the very least, a prospective new owner would be wise to get some detailed legal advice on the possible legal scenarios. I certainly would be...

[scottrx7tt]

Originally Posted by Mark944na86

This is a car I would approach very cautiously. If the original owner ever turns up on the scene, there could be a legal challenge over whether the title was rightfully transferred. This is not to say the original owner would win their case, but the very possibility of a legal dispute would make me leery.

Something to to bear in mind. At the very least, a prospective new owner would be wise to get some detailed legal advice on the possible legal scenarios. I certainly would be...

Well, whenever you rent a storage unit, you sign a contract. If you dont pay your monthly fee for a number of months, the storage company can take posession of that property, and sell it. There are no "legal challenges" whatsoever. Just like when you take a car to be fixed, and you dont have the money to pay the bill, a mechanic will put a mechanics lean on the vehicle, and it can then be sold to pay the bill to the mechanic.

[Mark944na86]

Originally Posted by scottrx7tt

There are no "legal challenges" whatsoever.

You are missing the point. Whether the case ultimately has merit or not, almost anything involving dispute of title can be challenged in a civil court. It's not a question of what the law provides for in general, it's a question of how the law applies in any particular case. The owner of the storage space business may have been acting completely within his legal rights, maybe not, depending on what circumstances come to light in this particular case.

The key point you are missing here is the new "owner" would probably not want to be caught up in such a dispute, regardless of the ultimate merits of the case. That's why some competent legal advice to canvass all the possible scenarios in a case like this would be well advised, I would think.

[fmartenies]

I have bought a few vehicles from a tow yard which is the same process. It is cut and dry most states. File a lien, give notice so the debtor has a chance to pay up, then auction or private sale. There are a few extra forms that go through the courthouse to xfer a free and clear title.

If the PO challenges it legally, his recourse is with the seller and not you provided you got a legit title. He can't take the car back either, only money since a car is not one of a kind. No title risk for the buyer, if he did sue you it would be dismissed in under 5 minutes.

[Mark944na86]

Originally Posted by fmartenies

give notice so the debtor has a chance to pay up,

There you go. The owner wasn't contacted, apparently. Or maybe he was. Who knows? You have the second-hand account of the storage owners side of the story.

As Harry said, "Do you feel lucky, punk? Well, do you?"

I'd look at some detailed legal advice as a kind of specialised PPI in this case. Just sayin'.

[fmartenies]

Mark don't quote me out of context.

The storage owner would be in trouble if he didn't attempt to contact the owner. That is usually just a title search at the DMV and if that doesn't turn up call the contact number left on the storage agreement. Not whoever buys the car provided they get a title. You buy the car and get the title you are 100% protected.

And I am giving you detailed legal advice, I have a business law degree.

[Mark944na86]

Originally Posted by fmartenies

Mark don't quote me out of context.

That would be difficult even if I wanted to, given that your entire post is above mine.

Originally Posted by fmartenies

And I am giving you detailed legal advice, I have a business law degree.

So which state did you do the bar exam?

It's good to know the full credentials of your attorney when getting free detailed legal advice over the net. Some people would say you are getting what you pay for, however.

Just sayin'.

[fmartenies]

Dont take my word for it. Section 44 subsection 4 of the NC General Statutes. you can search your own states general statutes online usually if you go to the govt website.

And I worked in the financial industry..business law is contracts, business structures, and civil law. Tons of jobs in that field that would not need or want you to be a practicing attorney. Which tells me you don't know what you are talking about by asking that question.

Why are you continuing to comment on here anyway? Someone is trying to sell a car, a few people questioned if it was legit, and 2 people who know what they are talking about explained it was. Then you, with no clue what you are talking about, knock what they say and put forth a fact-less argument that you will be sued for buying the car. More than once. Thats a *****head move to the seller.

[Rasta Monsta]

What the hell is a "business law degree?" And how do you figure its OK for someone in NC to give "legal advice" to someone in CA on a WA matter?

And, I think Mark's point is valid. Defending a suit isn't free, even if you end up winning.

[fmartenies]

Chapter 60.60 RCW: Lien for transportation, storage, advancements, etc.

There ya go, WA laws on the matter. I cite NC because I have never flown to WA to buy someone elses vehicle out of hock. They are all almost identical as far as liens go, especially due ot business being done over state lines.

Defending a suit is free. Just show up and know what you are talking about. Or file for a dismissal and know what you are talking about. Or counter sue for legal fees if it is baseless such as this suit would be.

[Rasta Monsta]

Hee, classic!

[Mark944na86]

Originally Posted by fmartenies

Defending a suit is free. Just show up and know what you are talking about. Or file for a dismissal and know what you are talking about. Or counter sue for legal fees if it is baseless such as this suit would be.

With all due respect, I would suggest it is you who doesn't know what he is talking about.

Sure, defending a law suit is free -- if you value your time at nothing. Or don't care one way or other about the outcome.

The reason I asked what state you did the bar exam in, was, of course, because I pretty much knew the answer already. You are not qualified or knowledgeable enough to give authoritative advice on this matter. Indeed, you don't even know that you have all the relevant facts of the matter to hand. Yet you claim to be in position to be giving detailed legal advice.

I can only assume you don't even understand what detailed legal advice actually comprises. Pointing to the relevant statute law is not detailed legal advice. Indeed, the statute law is about 10% of the question -- the other 90% is the case law which shows how courts have interpreted the statutes, what the critical turning points are in key cases, etc. This is what you pay a legal expert with specialised knowledge in their field for.

All I have ever suggested is that when there is the possibility of contested title, there is the possibility of a lawsuit. If you understand anything about property law, you will realise the central question is not who has a title, but who has the best title amongst competing claims. If you don't understand this, you understand nothing. Your "business law" degree may have acquainted you with the some of the statutes relevant to your field of business, but seems to have left some important gaps in teaching general legal principles.

In any case, if I had suggested a prospective purchaser get a PPI on car that had an uncertain maintenance history, would you have suggested that was "a *****head move to the seller"? In this case, there is an unusual history of ownership, and a buyer would be well advised to take some additional steps in getting some specialised advice regarding the possible ramifications -- if indeed there are any. You, without even all the facts to hand, are 100% sure there aren't any. And you are also suggesting you are providing competent "detailed legal advice".

BS, I say. The OP suggested that worrying about such things sucks the joy out of life. I would suggest that there few things more efficient at sucking the joy out of your life than suddenly finding yourself in a *****storm of litigation that you had no idea was even a possibility.

Ignorance may indeed be bliss, until the ***** hits the fan. Then, it's just ignorance. But in any case, anyone who has bothered to read this far down the thread will have by now considered whether the question is worth pursuing, and if they decide to proceed with the purchase of the vehicle, it will be a more considered decision. Mission accomplished, as far as I'm concerned. I wish both the vendor and any prospective buyers well.

[fmartenies]

Never has anyone typed so much and said so little. We aren't talking gray areas or sticky social issues where courts decide how to interpret it. I think you've been watching too much TV or reading too much Wikipedia. It's a lien which is black and white. The storage unit owner can't get a title unless he does everything by the book, the state simply doesn't issue one without all the ducks in a row. Therefore if you get a title from the seller the state has already vetted the conversion of the lien.

Agree to disagree even though you have no clue what you are talking about.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

This is not an auction site. Post a price or delete the thread.

Read the stickied instructions posted by the moderators.

[ideola]

Originally Posted by Barry Johnson

This is just an informative link to a Rennlist thread that has all the info needed and required.
If I wanted to really auction it, there's a site called ebay. I've simply made it public to Rennlist and Pelican where enthusiasts are, and if someone really wants it, they're free to let me know what they'd be willing to pay for such a car. Its very simple, honest, and also comes with a neat story about the car. I see nothing at all wrong with that. Besides, I put a "price" up anyway.
Thanks for reading

What's wrong with it is that your post violates the terms of use for posting a vehicle for sale. Why is it so d*** hard to put a price in the post??? Here's what you posted:

Originally Posted by Barry Johnson

Check the classifieds for a great story and a very nice 968 for sale.
Or if you're a Rennlister, the thread is at Pristine 968 6spd - Abandoned & For Sale - Rennlist Discussion Forums

There's no price listed in your post here (nor in the thread on Rennlist); your post here also fails to indicate the location of the vehicle. So you violated two of the important the terms of use for posting on Pelican in the for sale section. Since you seem to be ignorant of the rules, here's a convenient link:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/264203-forum-guidelines.html

And by the way, you posted it in the WRONG location. Cars for sale should be posted here:
Porsche Cars For Sale - Pelican Parts Technical BBS

Follow the rules like everyone else.

[ideola]

Originally Posted by Joel8005

Ok, Barry.... how about a price? It might be nice if you posted a list of options also....... try posting a pic of the options sticker in the rear. Trip or 6 speed? ect........

Some of these things are required on Rennlist, this is not craigslist.

Good luck.

Originally Posted by John Etnier

Very nice car and very tempting but it's pretty much impossible to 'make an offer' without a straightforward options list and a complete listing of your recent service. For example:

"It has 2k miles on the timing belt bits, all new fluids (good fluids), brakes, battery, windshield (it had a ding), fresh AC charge with R12 (and yes it works), new alternator, etc."

What is/are the etc? Why an alternator? Windshield a 968 or 944 (radio antenna in glass)?

I'm sure everyone here would appreciate this information, and appreciate even more an asking price.

Originally Posted by bshah1976

as I have been told on my FS thread, RL requires a price on these thread...any mod can delete otherwise.

Perhaps you missed these posts on Rennlist too? Or just chose to blatantly ignore their rules too?

[ideola]

Putting up "make offer" is not a price. And your OP on THIS forum fails to mention where the car is. You force the user to go dig thru a crap load of useless information to try to determine where the car is by cross posting to another forum (which by the way is bad form as well).

Originally Posted by nize

effective 1/5/2010:

all for sale items must have an asking price and seller's location listed.

this change was implemented by overwhelming user request as outlined in this thread:
VOTE: list the price policy?

One has to question the sincerity with which you wish to sell the car if you can't follow simple rules...which by the way, I don't take as "internet garbage"...in fact, the rules you are refusing to comply with were put in place to prevent the type of internet garbage you're dumping into the Technical Forum, where it doesn't belong.

Your disregard for respectful discourse and common courtesy speaks volumes about your character, to say nothing of your business acumen, and ought to give pause to anyone considering transacting business with you.

I'd wish you GLWS, but then I'm not disingenuous.

Have a good day.