No thanks Overkill,

I won't need an engine - I have an S model with only 130,000 klms on it that will be pretty much re-built from the block up. I'll be fine for a long time.

You could sell it to Wolfrpi - then he could take a hammer and beat the engine every night before he goes to bed, then maybe he will get the hatred out of his system :D !!

I say "go for it" on the 951 conversion. Your very young and NOT doing the conversion will rob you of experiences and you will not be truely happy in a 951 unless you built it yourself - I can see that. Once Overkill gets something in his head - he won't be happy with anything less, am I right??? Good luck also.


944S Boyeee

Love it!
 

Well, if nothing else, you've gotta' love that kind of attitude. You're the man! (at least for today).

Anyway, like I said before, I'll provide you with as much technical assistance as I can. Also, from your posts, I notice you're in NJ. I have a friend living in south Jersey who's a very good 944 mechanic. He might be able to provide you some assistance as well.

BTW, one of the things you're going to need is a complete engine wiring harness. If you can't find an engine that comes with a harness, I think I know where there's one available right now.

As far as the logistics of conversion go:

Completely different engine:
Completely different DME
Completely different wiring harnesses
Completely different exhaust system (at least from the engine to the cat)
Significant differences in the suspension - you can reuse some, but not all of the parts you have now.
Different instrument panel.

End result, you are building a car.......You would almost have an easier time buying a good mechanical, but crappy looking 951 and swapping body panels/interior parts from your S.

As was said before ad nauseum, CAN it be done?, most certainly - all it ever takes is time and money - how much time do you want to spend and how much money?

Actual cash value of your car is about $4000 when it is running. You are looking to spend more than that by the time you are done converting, in the end, you have an S model with a nonstandard motor (cash value $0)

If you are dead set that you are going to go through with this, I wish yuo luck, just be very aware of what you are getting yourself into.

AFJuvat

I don't mean any disrespect, but...

Given your experiences with doing your own belt, do you really want to undertake building a turbo'd S? You asked about what the problems are other than $. My answer to that would be: Anything is possible with unlimited time and $.

Also, I think you would be able to sell the engine as is for more $ than you would if you "rebuilt" it yourself. Since no one (myself included) is going to trust you to rebuild an engine to for the sake of learning, and then expect it to work well after you're done.

Spend 6 months and $10k building a turbo that is almost guaranteed to have problems, or spend a month and $10k looking for a nice turbo to buy. I say keep the S, tinker with it if you want, and look at buying a turbo, if you really have $10k+ to spend right now.

Well overkill............

I admire your determination....I would not recommend the conversion.... but if you go through it ...and start it...I will stop the preaching.

The only thing that I want you to do, which is something I struggle with everyday is Patience.

If you want to do the conversion......fine..go ahead and do it, but please read, read, read, read, read, read and if you are still not sure read some more.

Your latest experiment with your timing belt is a result of inpatience.

Do things slowly, if the book says 10 hours it will take you 100.

If you budget $100 multiply that by 5

If you want to toast your S and take it apart.... go ahead.... but be warned you may not be able to get it back together.

The turbo coversion saga will be intersting nonetheless.....

Good luck!

Dude, my 944 is not a garden ornament!

Not a garden ornament?...let's see;

Does it run?.............................................. ..No

Is it likely to run anytime soon?..................No

Will it ever run?..........................................Mayb e never

That makes it an ornament

Britwrench: Your right, it is a garden ornamnet.


Check it out, how much are 951's running for now? If it will make life easier then I will buy a 951. I do not want to spend alot for it because of the fact that i'm going to put a alot of money into it. The most important thing is that the engine has to be in decent condition. I will use the "S" as a parts car. The "S" is in really good condition inside and out. I can atleast guarantee myself a nice interior:) Everything else I will sell. Everything on the 951 is going to be stripped, cleaned, replaced, and modified. I don't care about the money. I don't care about the fact that I am not going to get any of that money back if I sell it. I am not going to sell it, I love this car to much. I guess you can say this is a dream of mine. Like fletch944t, I hope you guyz will be there by my side when it goes down. I will probably need the help.

944SBoyeee: You nailed it bro,...
It will probably be alot easier to build a 951 from a 951. I want my 951 and most of all,... I wan to know my 951 from top to bottom. The thing that killed me with the 944S is the fact that the engine is already maxed out in HP. I could't play with it or modify it. It kinda disappointed me. I like to get my hands dirty. Well, once I get my 951 I will definately be happy. I will be taking it to DE's and auto-x's all the time. Right now I jst have to wait it out a bit. I can't wait to rip the engine out of the "S" and take it apart. I will learn so much from it. Anyways, thanks everyone.

You know, I think i'll sell it instead. If the valves are bent, then that would be the only thing wrong with the car. I could sell it cheap and whatever I get for the car could go towards my bills. What do you guyz think?

While that isn't a bad idea, and will get you out of the car quickly, you really don't want to hear what a 944 goes for with bent valves - $500 You may have more luck selling it in your local paper.

AFJuvat

Just my 2 cents worth, but keep the S as is. When you go swapping stuff, the value drops like a rock. You could buy a 951 for what the swap will cost.

As for hammering on Wolfrpi, when I find my 951, I want him on my side. He probably has more experience with 951's than anyone here, other than Britwrench. They can probably tear one completely apart, and put together in thier sleep with out a manual. They have been there, done that.

If the S is paid for, it isn't costing you anything, so find a 951 and have two P-cars. I would love to have that decision to make. Do i drive the S, or the turbo today? Life would be good!

If the conversion is what you want, everyone will help you all they can, even if they don't agree with it. That's the great thing about this board!

Of course, what you could do is go down to the local junkyard and buy a complete used 944 2-valve engine with computer and put that in. Total cost; a lot less than $1000 and you are driving again. Then you can save up and buy the 951 and the "s" has some resale value.

If you don't do this, it will cost you $$$! It's the LAW!!!! :D